So some of us started discussing this in the chatbox, but because this discussion can get heated, it belongs in the debate forum. So Music is based on opinion, but is it true that Rap is just bad music? Or that Rock is just bad music?

Rap and Rock, which has the better influence?
Which is generally better music?

Discuss.

Without Rock there would be no Rap. End of it.
Lol, jokeing.

I think Rock is a lot better then rap, because with out it more then half the music in this world wouldn't be ... existent for lack of a better word. I can't say either or really has a better influence, I mean, Rock is about drugs, we all know that, look at it. But Rap is all sex drugs killing, even worse. Rap puts the idea into teenagers heads more so then Rock, why? Because people listen to Rap more then they listen to Rock.

Rock is generally better, well, classic rock, but that's my veiw.

I am going to exclude Pop from this discussion as I think Pop/R&B/Jazz need to be grouped together for shear numbers. Neither of those genres have enough followers to be included. That being said I'm taking a #1 song from the charts in Crank That Soulja Boy, and one #1 song from the charts on Rock's side ((When You Were Young by The Killers is #1 on the Modern Rock Top 100))

Critique these as if they were in the lyrics forum and tell me which is better


When You Were Young
You sit there in your heartache
Waiting on some beautiful boy to
To save you from your old ways
You play forgiveness
Watch him now, here he comes

He doesn’t look a thing like Jesus
But he talks like a gentleman
Like you imagined when you were young

Can we climb this mountain, I don’t know
Higher now than ever before, I
Know we can make it if we take it slow
Thats thinking easy, easy now, watch it go

We’re burning down the highway skyline on the
Back of a hurricane that started turning
When you were young
When you were young

And sometimes you close your eyes
And see the place where you used to live
When you were young
[When You Were Young lyrics on http://www.metrolyrics.com]


They say the devil's water, it ain’t so sweet
You don’t have to drink right now
But you can dip your feet
Every once in a little while

You sit there in your heartache
Waiting on some beautiful boy to
To save you from your old ways
You play forgiveness
Watch him now, here he comes

He doesn’t look a thing like Jesus
But he talks like a gentleman
Like you imagined when you were young

(Talks like a gentleman, like you imagine)
When you were young

I said he doesn’t look a thing like Jesus
He doesn’t look a thing like Jesus

But more than you’ll ever know




Crank That Soulja Boy
[Chorus]
Soulja Boy up in it (OH!)
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy,
That Super Man Dat (OH!)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )

Soulja Boy up in it (OH!)
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy,
That Super Man Dat (OH!)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja)

[Verse 1:]
Soulja Boy up in it (OH!)
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat (OH!)
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jocking On Them Haterz Man
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat Dance
(Now You)
I'm Jocking On Yo Bitch Ass
And If We Get The Fightin
Then I'm Cocking On Your Bitch
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
"I Got Me Some Bathin Apes"

[Chorus]
Soulja Boy up in it (OH!)
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy,
That Super Man Dat (OH!)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja)
Now Watch Me Do
[ Crank Dat lyrics found on http://www.completealbumlyrics.com ]
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

Soulja Boy up in it (OH!)
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy,
That Super Man Dat (OH!)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )

[Verse 2:]
I'm Bouncin On My Toe
Watch Me Super Soak Dat (OH!)
I'ma Pass It To Arab
Then He Gon Pass It To The Low (Low)
Haterz Wanna Be Me
Soulja Boy, I'm The Man
They Be Lookin At My Neck
Sayin Its The Rubberband Man (Man)
Watch Me Do It (Watch Me Do It)
Dance (Dance)
Let Get To It (Let Get To It)
Nope, You Can't Do It Like Me
Hoe, So Don't Do It Like Me
Folk, I See You Tryna Do It Like Me
Man That Shit Was Ugly

[Chorus]
Soulja Boy up in it (OH!)
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy,
That Super Man Dat (OH!)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )

Soulja Boy up in it (OH!)
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy,
That Super Man Dat (OH!)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja )

Originally Posted by Jessica Without Rock there would be no Rap. End of it. Lol, jokeing. I think Rock is a lot better then rap, because with out it more then half the music in this world wouldn't be ... existent for lack of a better word. I can't say either or really has a better influence, I mean, Rock is about drugs, we all know that, look at it. But Rap is all sex drugs killing, even worse. Rap puts the idea into teenagers heads more so then Rock, why? Because people listen to Rap more then they listen to Rock. Rock is generally better, well, classic rock, but that's my veiw.

thats just partially right in my opinion. Some, well 40% or so of Rock is about drugs, but there are ALOT of songs not about drugs. I know there are only 8 songs about drugs or sex on my 200 song playlist for my ipod. Make a rap playlist like that and I'll look at it, oh yeah and with more than multiple songs from the same artists... thats what I thought

Alex wins the internets (If I knew how to Thank people... I would thank you, but I don't so you're SOL)

This, I'm afraid, is a very very very complex question. What is rap, first of all? Are we incorporating all rap under the same umbrella? I like Will Smith, who is a rap artist, but I like him because his lyrics have substance and his music doesn't hurt my head. I like his voice, his rhythm, and he makes the music entertaining. I like a lot of 'old school' rap too. Warren G's Regulate is one of my favorite songs of all time. While the lyrics don't seem very deep in that song, they are strong words and the song has a lyrical quality to it, even with the 'rap feel', plus a lot of rhymes and simply well formulated music. That being said, I have to say I HATE, yes HATE, all modern rap that uses curse words like commonplace vocabulary and refers to women as if they all are whores and sluts. I don't get what's appealing about songs where it's a loud beat, annoying bass, and nothing else to it--no chorus, no nothing. 50 Cent is garbage. Eminem is sometimes good, but most of the time he sucks too. Most of all rap music these days is basically garbage and I stopped looking through it for good songs because I don't like my head hurting. That doesn't mean there isn't good rap out there. There's a lot out there, but we don't hear it because 'gangsta rap' gets played ad naseum on the radio these days.
Rock, however, has its faults too. Emo music, while good in some cases, gets old really fast and after you've listened to various artists you start to hear the same repetitive chord progressions, the same themes, and the same sound. Original 'emo' artists are far and few between. I also have a huge problem with this modern idiocy where people don' have to learn how to play their instruments well. Yes, playing a standard rhythm is fine, but what about great guitarists like Peter Frampton, Jimi Hendrix, or some of the amazing guitarists who could shred like no one else during the 80s? All of them took their instruments very seriously: learned it, loved it, lived it. Hardly anyone does that these days.
If I have to make a subjective choice, I'd pick rock, but only because it entertains me more than rap on a more consistent basis. Both tend to suck a lot, but at least I am constantly hearing good songs from rock. I rarely hear anything good from rap because I can't stand 'gangsta' style, and since that gets played on radio more than anything else I never listen to stations playing rap.

So, rock for the win.

This thread is sooooo pointless. It's obvious that everyone on the site will pick Rock.

thats just partially right in my opinion. Some, well 40% or so of Rock is about drugs, but there are ALOT of songs not about drugs. I know there are only 8 songs about drugs or sex on my 200 song playlist for my ipod. Make a rap playlist like that and I'll look at it, oh yeah and with more than multiple songs from the same artists... thats what I thought

You're right, modern Rock isn't about drugs, but damn, classic rock is and I love it, because they hide it sooo damn well Like.. Omg, it's amazing. Now Rap is straight forword we know when they're talking about sex and what not.

It helps, Zaph, if we're given a compelling argument FOR rap...

My Veiw: (Twill be short)
Rock is what I've grown up with....my dad nearly named me Alice after Alice Cooper.
I adore rock, I love the Beatles and Def Lepard.
But after years of hating rap, I'm actually finding I really like it now. Kanye West has pretty much changed my mind about it.

i hate it when we fight so don't fight anymore okay?

I will admit dancing to rap is fun, but other then that, I don't really like listening to it... I love the Beatles, they're the best, always will be. Alice Cooper is pretty pro too.