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Old 11-14-2013, 07:44 AM View Post #21 (Link)
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doesn't a rephrasing of that simply turn into, "In a good world morality is important, but in a bad one we can do bad things if we really "need" (want) to" ?
No. It means putting in mind the greater good by choosing the lesser evil.

Honestly, how many times have you seen a bomb explode in a public place, set off by a suicidal radical? Probably none.
London.
Boston.

What's the point of giving harsher penalties to someone who wants to end their life? it would only encourage them, IMO. Regardless, this is off-topic.
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:37 AM View Post #22 (Link)
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Originally Posted by Spiders View Post
No. It means putting in mind the greater good by choosing the lesser evil.



London.
Boston.

What's the point of giving harsher penalties to someone who wants to end their life? it would only encourage them, IMO. Regardless, this is off-topic.
Interesting posts by Dabs and Georgy, but I gotta respond to you, Spiders man .

This question is just for you: how can you justify a "necessary evil," if God is in control ? (I assume by "necessary evil" you mean moral evil, but correct me if I'm wrong )

When I asked how many terrorist attacks you'd seen, I meant in real life. I can "see" a jaguar on the internet, but that doesn't make them common in Canada, so reading about terrorist attacks on the internet doesn't make them common - you can read about anything on the internet. So you were at the Boston bombings, etc.? Naw, you weren't - most of us have probably never witnessed this.
So, about the final basic question! Safety or privacy? Again, I would revert to my old point: government enforcement and protection is necessary, but Rome, Greece, etc., never had the level of surveillance that North America (Canada and America) do, and they did fine for many years. Ultimately, once you (the hypothetical criminal) realize that the NSA spies on you, you're just a little more careful what you say on your phone, and what you look up on the internet, and you'll still carry out your fiendish plan (I think - but Lalo might just come around and prove me wrong with an article again )

Of course, one might say that with the extra levels of technology, killing is easier, so technology should also be used to undo its destructive power in some areas of life. An interesting point, but I don't think it undoes the argument against NSA methods.

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I re-read Dab's post and I really love this:

The question for me is: do we realize how our lives would change if we removed the immoral behavior that a portion of our security comes from?

I think that has to be answered before we can ask ourselves if we value privacy over safety.
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:48 AM View Post #23 (Link)
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justify a "necessary evil," if God is in control ?
Case in point; our Lord, Jesus Christ, was murdered on the cross. Probably the biggest necessary evil that's ever graced this earth.
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I dont appreciate spying, because thats invading my personal space. If the goverment can get online make an account and search through our personal space what cant they do. So because the president gives you permision you can do it. If id like to put a camera in your house would that be okay spying on your every move learning your habits using you like a test animal like your nothing. There are so many other things the goverment needs to worry about. What about all these homless people no ones trying to help them. How about killings? someone being murdered in the middle of the street. You can spy on me but cant find the killer? thats annoying wasting your money on so much stuff but you ignore the most important things
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