YWO Mag FINAL VOTE (vote only once)

[Shaun]

This is it: the FINAL VOTE. This is the deciding moment everyone. Choose wisely. Only ONE winner here. Make sure you choose the one you not only want but think will win. Don't waste your vote.

I took the highest voted ones from each poll, which puts us at a total of seven titles.

Poll is open until next week on Tuesday :)

[Imelda]

Make sure you choose the one you not only want but think will win.

Umm ... that's stupid. That's like saying 'well I'd like to vote conservative, but Labour will thrash them again in the elections, so I may as well vote Labour.'

Vote for the one you think would make a good title for the YWO Magazine, that embodies what the magazine will be about, and what YWO is about.

[Carraka]

Survival by Storytelling -- Well, you ought to know what I think of this one.
Gibberish -- That makes it sound as though we write Gibberish. It's an amusing name, but not much else.
Silent Voices -- Since we're being published, we're not exactly silent.
New Voices -- This makes more sense, but it's not a very interesting name to me.
YWO Magazine -- Can it get more generic? Safe, yet boring.
Unheard Voices -- This also makes sense if we haven't been heard before, and I like it better than New Voices, because it has a better ... sound?
Spattered Ink -- This is kind of random, but it's not so random that I have nothing good to say about it.

In other words ... you ought to pick either SBS! SURVIVAL BY STORYTELLING!!!

xD

[Imelda]

Also, bear in mind that I'm co-editing this, so if you displease me with your choice of name, I'm going to edit the crap out you and/or reject you.

[Shaun]

...yeah because that's the way we want people voting.

Vote for what you want to vote for. Who votes for what isn't public anyway.

[Imelda]

:rolleyes:

It was a joke. You really need to get used to that. :p

[jordanisonfire]

Survival by Storytelling. That title rocks more than I realised. ^^

[Shaun]

Spattered Ink is a better title I think. I went with Gibberish, but I think that one is going to lose, so I'm all for Spattered Ink.

[Nyx]

I can't believe SI is winning...


Long live SBS:pirate:

[Rafael Domination]

Actually, I think Splattered Ink is a fun, random and cheery title! :D

[Nyx]

Actually, I think Splattered Ink is a fun, random and cheery title! :D

Cheery and random are the problems. :rolleyes:

[Zombified]

You guys should have voted for "READ you dumb sumbitch!"

:P

[Nyx]

You guys should have voted for "READ you dumb sumbitch!"

:P

but I DID! ^^

[Zombified]

*Pokes*

Good girl!
:D

[Carraka]

I don't think it's that cheery ...

-sobs-

Sixteen of you are traitors! TRAITORS!

I had a dream about donuts last night. Or technically, this morning ...

[Imelda]

I'm extremely sceptical about the sudden leap in votes for SI.

I happen to know that Shaun got his brother (who doesn't frequent YWO anymore) to come online and vote for SI. Who knows what other underhand tactics he's used? :glare:

[Shaun]

Oh hush...I didn't cheat. Sheesh.

[Carraka]

If he can do that with his brother, I suppose you guys wouldn't mind if I found my old contacts?

[Imelda]

If I had friends, I'd bribe them too ...

[Guessed]

I've risen from the dead to help tilt the vote!
<speech> A title like "Spattered Ink" frustrates me - it's like a phrase from a pretentious P!aTD or emo song, and so it must perish! "Survival by Storytelling" is of a different mold - a hilarious yet true commentary on our community's eternal hunger for expression via creativity, for embiggenment via cromulence; a reminder, surely one that strikes joy into all our hearts, of the classic Survival by Suicide game, in which we all bonded and learned something special while attempting impersonal homicide. But more than that: it has alliteration, and that's always coo. Please nobody gripe about how I have no intention to join in the magazine itself. In conclusion, I hope you enjoyed reading my spiel. </englishessay>

[Shaun]

I like how I'm painted as if I've done something wrong when half of the votes for Survival By Storytelling are directly from the fact that I sent out about 5 PMs reminding people who are active on the site to vote...while giving them links to the thread.
But hey, I guess I'm the evil one. Right.

[Carraka]

You're not evil! You're a role model to us all!

[Rafael Domination]

SPLATTERED INK RULES YOU FOOLS! :crazy:

Besides, it'd make a better logo! ^^

[Shaun]

I'm just saying. There are only two people that I directly said "I like Spattered Ink, go vote". My brother and one PM to Andy. Anyone who knows Andy will know he's not going to care what I said anyway and he'll just vote on what he likes most anyway. My brother voted after we talked about ALL the titles and gave each other valid arguments.
The rest of the people that votes for SI? Those are from PMs I sent to multiple people asking them to vote with a link to the thread. That's it. I PMed some 50 people, and a few of them came in and voted. Some of them for SBS, some for SI, some for other things. I did nothing to cheat. I didn't change the votes. I didn't change my vote, though I'd like to. I haven't fiddled with the numbers. I haven't waged an anti-SBS campaign. I've been trying to get as many people as possible to come in and vote because I'd rather this not be a poll that only has 10 votes across the board. I'd like to see a lot of votes and we need everyone involved if possible...since this affects everyone.

[Jessica]

Face it.
SI is better.
See how like two people are fighting that SI is stupid.

[Carraka]

I'm just saying. There are only two people that I directly said "I like Spattered Ink, go vote". My brother and one PM to Andy. Anyone who knows Andy will know he's not going to care what I said anyway and he'll just vote on what he likes most anyway. My brother voted after we talked about ALL the titles and gave each other valid arguments.
The rest of the people that votes for SI? Those are from PMs I sent to multiple people asking them to vote with a link to the thread. That's it. I PMed some 50 people, and a few of them came in and voted. Some of them for SBS, some for SI, some for other things. I did nothing to cheat. I didn't change the votes. I didn't change my vote, though I'd like to. I haven't fiddled with the numbers. I haven't waged an anti-SBS campaign. I've been trying to get as many people as possible to come in and vote because I'd rather this not be a poll that only has 10 votes across the board. I'd like to see a lot of votes and we need everyone involved if possible...since this affects everyone.

Obviously, that is why you are a role model. I'm ashamed to say that my tactics are probably not as wholesome. On the other hand, the only person I've coerced is already a member of the site, and she told me she would subscribe. She also reminded us all that Spattered Ink does suck, and I didn't tell her to write that. So in the end, she was making her own decision. See? I've convinced myself that I done nothing wrong.

Face it.
SI is better.
See how like two people are fighting that SI is stupid.

-blink- What? That makes no sense.

[jordanisonfire]

Aw, no one likes Survival by Storytelling. I suppose I just like it 'cos my novels are the only ways I'm going to get rich. ^^ That's if they get published and are popular. :rolleyes:

[Guessed]

See? I've convinced myself that I done nothing wrong.


I have free will, you know... (This is the second time I've said this in 48 hours)

And this argument is scaring me in places. If only I could resolve it with the most innovative name ever, that would have people bumbling over each other to grab a copy of the magazine. If only...

[Lykaios]

Random . . . Yes, and very messy. I ruined a new top to get that name.

[jordanisonfire]

Just so you know, I like both titles. I'm not really bothered what the magazine is called, I'm just bothered about the content. ^^

[Imelda]

Ok, who swapped Shadow for a saint? Own up!

[jordanisonfire]

I've always been a saint... :devious:

[Rafael Domination]

Oh well, SBS is catching up. I won't mind if it wins, but I wonder what kind of logo it'll make...

[Shaun]

Aye, it's a close one that's for sure.

[GeorgeMichael]

we just need three more votes and we're ahead! :)

[Rafael Domination]

TWO MORE! :D

I wonder how these last minute votes keep appearing out of nowhere...

[Guessed]

Sadly, I took Rafael's comment as a challenge.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/nhaingen/SbSjpg.jpg

But then I take most things as a challenge, which is why they don't let me go to Confession anymore.

[Carraka]

-gasp-

It's beautiful!

That's why we should all vote for SBS!

I love the characterization of SURVIVAL!

[Rafael Domination]

That's a title. Not a logo! :P

[Shaun]

The problem with that logo, Guessed, is it wouldn't fit on the cover...unless we shrunk it a hell of a lot...and then you'd lose out the details...

[Carraka]

Well, it's a beautiful title ...

We should still have it somewhere when SBS wins!!

[Rafael Domination]

Whatever, I'm fine for both titles! ^^

[Carraka]

Okay. Since it's impossible for me to convince people on the site that have already voted to change their vote -coughcoughcough- I've been working my ass off trying to convince other people to join. And I haven't been convincing random people that don't write, so that when people do join and vote for SBS, they should stay on and be active.

This is very difficult, especially since I'm coming out of nowhere, and most of my friends that write are extremely shy. My friend Glubad registered, which hopefully means that she'll stay with the site, even though we're going through testing days now. And she told me that the site told her she couldn't vote in this poll ...

Did you fix it so that new people can't vote? Or is this some weird error thing?

EDIT: I need to know this because I was about to send a message to all my Writing Club members, but if they can't vote, then half the punch of my e-mail is lost.

[Shaun]

They can vote just fine.

[Quietus]

I believe today is the last day to vote.....

[Rafael Domination]

Car is sneaky, but still not on the edge of cheating! :P

I'd invite my bro onto the site, but there's no way I can prove to Shaun that it's a different person, so I told him to stay off and not get me into any trouble for multiple accounts.

[Shaun]

It's cheating if she's directly asking friends to join the site and vote for SBS. If that's what is happening, that's cheating. :P

[Carraka]

I'm only asking friends that write. I think most of them have integrity, so I actually have to convince them that this is also a writing website, so they aren't just joining to skew polls.

I'll tell my friend to try again.

[Rafael Domination]

You mean friendSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Is it just me or have 5+ newbs joined the site in one day? I'm guessing Car had something to do with that. They better not drop out in two days! :P

[Carraka]

To my knowledge, only one person has joined YWO today because of me, and that person could not vote. She is now not at her house and has no access to a computer.

And ... we're tied.

[Guessed]

Car is sneaky, but still not on the edge of cheating!

So does that mean he's far from the edge or over it? xD

[Shaun]

Yeah, we're tied. So I guess in the result of a tie, Fiddlesticks automatically wins.

[Rafael Domination]

I thought Car was a he...

And it all depends on what might happen next! :P

[Shaun]

What we need next is a whole bunch more people that think SI is a more fitting title.

[Carraka]

Well, I done my lobbying. Good luck Shaun!

[Guessed]

I vote Youths Wielding Opinion, or Yams With Onions! Fun with acronyms is fun, as is fun with redundancy, which is fun!

[Carraka]

Why weren't you here when we started nominating?

I think all thirty of the people who have voted (except Shaun's brother) would happily band behind a name like Yams With Onions!

Also, I'm recognizing the usernames of some people who have joined, so yeah. More than one person has joined today because of me. Whether they stay ..

COME OUT AND SAY HELLO!!

EDIT: Actually, these people are wanting confirmation e-mails.

[Nyx]

SBS up one vote!! :D

[Shaun]

And now SBS is winning, which means if it does win I'll have to stop taking poetry submissions, since they will no longer fit into the rubric of the YWO title...lovely.

[Nyx]

And now SBS is winning, which means if it does win I'll have to stop taking poetry submissions, since they will no longer fit into the rubric of the YWO title...lovely.

You can still take poetry that tells a story...

[Carraka]

We can add and poetry in tiny words at the bottom.

No, I'm kidding ... but think, with SI we could've only done pictures that were made of ink! No!

[Shaun]

Umm, the magazine is black and white Car. It's not going to ever be in color. So everything done with imagery has to be in black and white.

And yes, we can take poetry that tells a story, but poetry that doesn't tell a story (which is most poetry) will just get thrown to the side. So a big middle finger to you poetry folks.

[Nyx]

Umm, the magazine is black and white Car. It's not going to ever be in color. So everything done with imagery has to be in black and white.

And yes, we can take poetry that tells a story, but poetry that doesn't tell a story (which is most poetry) will just get thrown to the side. So a big middle finger to you poetry folks.

That's childish, it's like the whole conversation we had about chinese restaurents having burgers, SBS can have any kind of poetry really.

[Shaun]

And that argument is still valid. People don't go to the Chinese food restaurant to eat hamburgers. They go to eat Chinese food.

[Carraka]

Umm ... right.

Okay, I'm not a poetry person, but I know that a good percentage of people on this site are. I don't know how you poets feel about this, but if you have serious issues with the title because you feel that you are suddenly unable to submit a poem, you should probably say something around now.

I hope you don't have any serious issues, because I don't think it's limiting at all, but then again -- I'm not a poet. And also, I don't do the whole big-middle-finger thing. So it's kind of insulting that one would suggest that I feel that way about poetry people.

xD But all is forgiven, because Shaun is a role model, and he is still squeaky-clean in whatever way he's going about doing everything.

[Guessed]

I'm lost - why are abstract poems no longer allowed, under the mighty metal fist of SBS? (Which still may lose)

Edit: I'm found, sorry for being slow.

[Shaun]

The only thing I've done is help you get more votes Carr. So be thankful that I haven't cheated, because I damn well could have. I simply sent out another global reminder email about the voting.

The title of the magazine is what defines the magazine. They call Analog SF that because it's a magazine of science fiction and when it was first called that was when analog technology was the next big thing. Heliotrope has a unique title for a reason: they take unique fiction. Strange Horizons is another that focuses on the fantastic (sf and f). Neo-opsis is called that because it is a science fiction magazine, and the title gives that impression. Star*Line is a speculative poetry magazine...the title says that.

The title is everything. I'm treating the magazine from a business model perspective. We have to take the work that is good and best fits the magazine, and the customer will often be the determining factor. If people buy SBS because they like the fiction...well then we'll have to focus on that. Whatever makes it sell better :P.

[Guessed]

None of us SBS-suppoters are trying to antagonize you, Shaun, so sorry. I understand that this is a potentially lucrative thingy we're dealing with here...

Perhaps a supplement for the second S? I've got nothing so far, but... :\

[Carraka]

So if it were Gibberish, then this would be a humorous title, and we would be expected to write humor? Certainly we wouldn't be expected to write gibberish.

I think every title will have its own flaws. Clearly not everyone agrees with the title SBS, but unless we all unite behind Guessed's titles or spend another few years debating, I'm not sure what could be done.

[Shaun]

We'll likely just be stuck with SBS and I'll be a bitter, angry person for a very long time.

[Carraka]

Think of Imelda. She shall be happy.

And thus you shall be happy ... because ... um, happiness is really preferable to anger, because there's nothing any of us can do to influence the poll votes, except wait. Unless we decide to go out and gather more voters or something.

[Nyx]

And that argument is still valid. People don't go to the Chinese food restaurant to eat hamburgers. They go to eat Chinese food.

Yea but you never see poeple who went there to get chinese food get pissed of because there's also burgers available, no one's forcing it on them. However one does see people getting excited cause there's burgers as well as chinese food. Now go and apply all that to poetry and fiction:rolleyes:

[Shaun]

*shrugs* Whatever. I didn't really want Spattered Ink in the first place...I wanted Fiddlesticks...but nooooooo, can't have that. I actually voted for Gibberish, cause I liked that title.

[Shaun]

I get pissed off about it Nyx. And i get really irritated if people in my party order burgers instead of chinese.

[Carraka]

Yea but you never see poeple who went there to get chinese food get pissed of because there's also burgers available, no one's forcing it on them. However one does see people getting excited cause there's burgers as well as chinese food. Now go and apply all that to poetry and fiction:rolleyes:

Actually, I think ... "Hahaha -- that's not an authentic Chinese restaurant!" but I don't mind a few fries. But I don't think they'll be saying that we're not an authentic magazine, because we have poetry that isn't narrative.

[Nyx]

I get pissed off about it Nyx. And i get really irritated if people in my party order burgers instead of chinese.

So you sit to order some chinese stir fry, you scan the menu, there's stir fry and on a page beside is burgers. You get mad? OH MY GOD! THEY SERVER BURGERS!! It's only a problem if you want it to be, you're reading the section with stir fry and you're ordering stir fry, the second page is just there. So what?:P

[Rafael Domination]

I've never really seen Shaun sulk before. It's kinda funny (please don't ban me).

But yeah, I don't think I'd rule Splattered ink out yet. But that's just me. ^^

[Carraka]

I don't like it when Shaun sulks. You've already seen me sulk, but at least I kept it to one thread and updated later when I was happy again.

I guess we also have to look at it this way. There might actually be people like Shaun who will pick up a magazine like SBS and get pissed off because it has poetry that isn't narrative. I won't understand that person (and Nyx won't either) but that person will exist and understand himself.

But are we catering to that person? Or are we trying to cater to as many people as possible? Or do we just want SBS as our title?

[Shaun]

By the way, you can thank Raf for giving me the idea of banning everyone who voted for SBS. So take that.

[Nyx]

By the way, you can thank Raf for giving me the idea of banning everyone who voted for SBS. So take that.

Did you just say that?:mellow:

[Shaun]

I don't see why we can't make it as initials, with smaller lettering underneath for the full title. I dunno, meh.

[Carraka]

Thank you, Raf.

I'm actually surprised you didn't think of it by yourself.

EDIT: Why not make it initials? I can support that idea, but I wasn't aware that it had even been brought up.

[Rafael Domination]

WHat!

I'm innocent! :crazy:

[Guessed]

Well, isn't the real problem that the non-narrative poets won't think they can submit their work to SBS? It isn't about offending people...

My dad's an abstract poet, and he submits his work all over the market (usually to be rejected). Their names can be obvious (Poetry) or totally obscure - if he's looking to be published, he'll look at the inside material rather than the title. Besides, young writers are rarely already dedicated to one writing style - they're really just looking for a publication that will accept their efforts.

[Shaun]

Well that might be true, but people who BUY the stuff don't necessarily pay attention to the material as much as the cover...which means that people who primarily read poetry will be isolated by the title.

[Shaun]

Well that might be true, but people who BUY the stuff don't necessarily pay attention to the material as much as the cover...which means that people who primarily read poetry will be isolated by the title.

[Guessed]

Er, if we choose the acronym strategy, we'll need a big ol' picture of Writing Related Things on every cover, until we're a household magazine acronym like O or E.

[Carraka]

Ooh, I'm curious.

How do you plan to market this, Shaun? Online?

[Guessed]

Through interpretive dance and that flag-waving code? :D

[Rafael Domination]

With Shaun? I don't think so.

He'll probably convince the publishers and marketers to do things his way via a one-on-one battle using brains, i.e. intellectual influence. ^^

[Shaun]

Mostly online. It's possible we could do it local in the future, but right now just online.

[GeorgeMichael]

I get pissed off about it Nyx. And i get really irritated if people in my party order burgers instead of chinese.


eh heh heh... ...:unsure::unsure::sarcasm:


:) Sorry, it's actually pizza instead of hamburgers but it's just such a yummy substitute... even though I love Chinese... it's really a coin toss most of the time, Pizza, Chinese, or if I'm hungry, both. :)

[Autumn Abandon]

Hmm... I was sent an email and directed here to vote, yet the poll seems to be closed. If allowed, I would have voted for Spattered Ink :) Though that still wouldn't give us the win, it seems...

I'm terribly sorry for joining and then dropping off the face of the web. In two weeks finals will be done and my imagination and I shall at last be free!

[Guessed]

I'm terribly sorry for joining and then dropping off the face of the web. In two weeks finals will be done and my imagination and I shall at last be free!

I seem to evaporate from every board I join! And that's me without any AP tests this year, so I have no excuse. The only reason I'm here again is that an argument over a magazine's title gives me something to do. Also, I'd love to help out with it... somehow.

[Imelda]

Firstly: Thanks to all who voted for SBS. About half the site seem to think that captures our fun, creative side, which is always a good thing.

And now I have to yell at people.

And that argument is still valid. People don't go to the Chinese food restaurant to eat hamburgers. They go to eat Chinese food.

But what if you're going with a large party (or even a small party) and one of them doesn't like Chinese food? Or is allergic to monosodium glutamate? Or is ... vegetarian and doesn't want a plate of noodles and veg, but a big filling veggy burger? The point of including those on the menu is to not turn people away--but that doesn't mean they have to have 'Wok 1 Chinese buffet (with Indian curry sauce, chips, and some European stuff) as their title. People aren't so dumb they need things spelling out all the time. Titles are just titles, and meant to capture the spirit of things rather than describe the contents. Like 'Analog'--it spoke of the future at the time. Star*Line could be anything, it says nothing about poetry. Description is what bylines are for.

So you sit to order some chinese stir fry, you scan the menu, there's stir fry and on a page beside is burgers. You get mad? OH MY GOD! THEY SERVER BURGERS!! It's only a problem if you want it to be, you're reading the section with stir fry and you're ordering stir fry, the second page is just there. So what?:P

I really wouldn't put it past him. :p

Through interpretive dance and that flag-waving code? :D

Let's do that! It sounds fun! Semaphore dances would be really unique. We could all stand in our respective town/city centres and advertise like that. :D

[Shaun]

Anyone who is allergic to MSG should be subject to the rules of survival of the fittest and natural selection. We don't need that genetic weakness in the gene pool *glare*

And by the way, everyone who voted for SBS should expect to be banned really soon :glare:

[Imelda]

Even me? *sniffle* :(

[Shaun]

Yup...

[Rafael Domination]

FACISM! :crazy:

Facism! Facism! Facism!




Meh.

So...when does the poll close?

[Midnight_Moon]

I believe the poll is already closed.
Looks like Survive By Storytelling got it. Good job Car on persuading people.

[Carraka]

And by the way, everyone who voted for SBS should expect to be banned really soon :glare:

Yeah, actually, I was going to ask for a ban a few days ago. So -- bring it on! I'm going to use my spare time to actually edit!

I believe the poll is already closed.
Looks like Survive By Storytelling got it. Good job Car on persuading people.

Thanks! I'm still miffed that none of the people that joined for me have introduced themselves ...

Not that I don't appreciate their votes, but I'd rather not have vote-skewing on my conscience. I suppose I'm going to have to have a proper talking with some of them.

[Shaun]

SBS won, so whoever is going to attempt to do a logo, get to it. I'm going to work with Imelda to get things set up for the mag.

[Guessed]

I'd like to apply myself to a logo and not go totally overboard (that title was really just for kicks - I like drawing dangerous things), but my creative energies have been sapped by morning art class and afternoon toying with flash (http://uploadingit.com/files/591050_loopk/canedance.swf). It would be awesome if a lot of forumgoers contributed their ideas.

For online distribution... do you have hosting plans yet, or will it be part of this site?

EDIT: Any respectable anime freak will agree that this is the best possible logo: Slaves of Shaun, anyone?
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/nhaingen/sbs.jpg

[Shaun]

It'll be a part of the site...but it might end up with its own page.

[jordanisonfire]

I hate that I can't contribute to this. I probably won't even be able to get it. :glare:

[Imelda]

Talk to your parents, Shadow. We're doing this professionally (as much as we can). Paypal is completely anonymous, and a very safe way to get paid--all we'd know was your Paypal username, which we can do nothing with. The contract will be a standard thing, and you'll retain all your rights to everything. If they're concerned, they could email me or Shaun, and we'd try to reassure them.

As for getting it, well I can understand why you wouldn't just want to give your address away, but maybe we can work something out, since I live near. If you have a post office with friendly people who wouldn't mind, I could deliver it there. Or a newsagent's, or ... a bus stop rubbish bin that's rarely emptied. :p

Or you could cadge one off me when I'm doing that semaphore dance in Rotherham town centre.

[Alex]

ugh.... I go away for a week and a half on some personal stuff I had to get ironed out, now I get back, and the title.... ugh

Splattered Ink was many times better but what can I say. *sigh* lets get started =]

[Shaun]

Talk to your parents, Shadow. We're doing this professionally (as much as we can). Paypal is completely anonymous, and a very safe way to get paid--all we'd know was your Paypal username, which we can do nothing with. The contract will be a standard thing, and you'll retain all your rights to everything. If they're concerned, they could email me or Shaun, and we'd try to reassure them.

As for getting it, well I can understand why you wouldn't just want to give your address away, but maybe we can work something out, since I live near. If you have a post office with friendly people who wouldn't mind, I could deliver it there. Or a newsagent's, or ... a bus stop rubbish bin that's rarely emptied. :p

Or you could cadge one off me when I'm doing that semaphore dance in Rotherham town centre.

Okay, there are some things that aren't true here :P.

First, if your parents absolutely hate Paypal there might be a way that we can work it so Imelda can get you the payments. You live near her and I can always send her money via Paypal, so that might work.
The contract is standard and I want your parents to sign it as protection for me and YWO. I don't want to get sued, as I've said. I can't afford to get sued. If I get sued...YWO closes down because I can't afford to pay for the hosting in the event of being sued. In fact, I'd go bankrupt, have to drop out of University and probably end up being homeless if I got sued. So that's why I want to protect myself.
As for the rights. Imelda, that's not entirely true. He doesn't retain all of his rights. The work remains HIS, but by signing the contract he is giving us permission to be the first ones to publish it and as such that means we are buying the rights for that. So he doesn't get the first publishing rights back, since obviously he can't publish whatever it is for the first time twice...that's silly.
There will be a grace period of 6 months after the issue goes on sale that we ask everyone not to submit to other mags in. After that, basically all rights revert back to you. You can do whatever you want with the piece, you just can't publish it for the first time again...because we would have published it for the first time :P. You have to tell people that your story was previously published or it's technically lying :P.
Talk to your parents. I'd be happy to talk to them to explain why they need to sign, and that we're going to be legit, etc. I can explain to them what all the rights mean. It will be in the contract in as plain of language as I can put it. We're taking this very seriously. It's not just a random piece of junk we're going to get out. We want it to be a real product.

[Imelda]

He doesn't retain all of his rights. The work remains HIS, but by signing the contract he is giving us permission to be the first ones to publish it and as such that means we are buying the rights for that. So he doesn't get the first publishing rights back, since obviously he can't publish whatever it is for the first time twice...that's silly.

He does retain all his rights. We can't use it for anything more than he says, it's still HIS work. It's not like ... Mills and Boon, or Nail Gaiman's graphic novel work, who take your piece and you don't own it anymore. YWO will have first rights, but that doesn't mean the writer loses any rights, all it says it we printed it first.

So don't make out like 'some things aren't true', Mr. :glare:

Oh, and I'm willing to drop a magazine off somewhere, but I'm not being responsible for payment. Paypal is just fine. Sorry.

[Shaun]

He does retain all his rights. We can't use it for anything more than he says, it's still HIS work. It's not like ... Mills and Boon, or Nail Gaiman's graphic novel work, who take your piece and you don't own it anymore. YWO will have first rights, but that doesn't mean the writer loses any rights, all it says it we printed it first.

So don't make out like 'some things aren't true', Mr. :glare:

Oh, and I'm willing to drop a magazine off somewhere, but I'm not being responsible for payment. Paypal is just fine. Sorry.

Yes, but he loses some of his rights by having the work published, as I said. That's why we are "buying" the rights to publish it. The work is still his and remains so, but you do give up some of your rights when you get published. You can't ever publish for the first time again. That's what I mean.