should kids be able to say what they want.

[rampru]

:ninja:People always say the first amendment so I can say what i want. A lot of the amendments don't apply to kids though. They get in trouble if they sware go against something and they have a right to an eucation yet they get suspended. So do you think that amendments should appy to kids to or if they ever did to start with.

[Bowie20049]

We sign a contract before we go to school. Our rights are temporarily suspended when we are there. So if you are swearing, you are breaking the contract. Kids are too irresponsible, and it gets worse as they learn unless they start maturing.

We can't say, "I hate this teacher, so kick her out." This is not France.

[Mercy]

Kids have access to the amendments, but parents aren't the government and you are under their thumb until you reach the age of adulthood. I agree that it sort of sucks, but there's a reason for it. Our frontal lobes aren't fully developed until we're around that age of 18-20 and we don't have good decision making skills. Even know we don't like having restrictions, some of them are good, like against swearing.

Personally, I like to swear myself, but it isn't appropriate for a lot of places like school and work.

Sorry if this doesn't make much sense. xp

[eriko]

Wow. In India kids are not even aware of this stuff. I am hearing this for the first time. But then in India children are totally dependent on the parents and the society( maybe the constitution as well) views them as a liability of parents. But then I am not really concerend about all this. I always consult my parents before taking any big decisions. Ans I don't like swearing and stuff.

[Shaun]

Well, in a way children are not considered to be human beings in the same way as you think of adults. They are largely not responsible for their actions (parents usually are), and as such they cannot do a lot of things that legally can be done by adults (sign contracts, drink, smoke, etc.). There's always a good reason for it, though, but sometimes I do think we go a bit far in keeping kids from being a part of things just because they are young.

[perfectmess]

i'm young enough to have this apply to me but i feel that, in a way, not being able to express yourself fully is part of being a child and it is learning how to do that in a acceptable manner that makes you an adult. plus, everyone's got to be a kid at one point and an adult at another so everyone gets their turn at both not being able to say what they want and being able to.

[Jellybelly]

I think that children and teenagers definitely have a right to speak out against something they don't agree with in school or work, even if it contradicts what an adult tells them. Sometimes adults can learn from kids even if they don't like it.

On the other hand, I don't appreciate my Own rights being violated as someone drops the F-bomb five times next to me in class. I have to be there, and they have to be there. It's not fair for other kids to have to endure words and actions that make them uncomfortable. Rules, in school especially, are just there to protects the rights of students and teachers.

So ultimately, it depends on the situation. Sure, they can share their opinion, but they shouldn't be allowed to tear someone else down.

[Inkweaver]

Well a good point to bring would have to about children and politics. When Obama was running, the entire class loved him! But why do the teachers immediately shut us up, not for the talking but for the subject. It seemed to me that she was restricting the expression of our views! It was just a normal day and we were talking at the acceptable level, yet she got pissed and bogged us down with work. She is a civics teacher, so you think they would at least let you share your opinion!

[Shaun]

I suspect that your teacher has a bias, which civics teachers shouldn't have. Honestly, if I were that teacher and you were all going on and about George W. Bush, I'd probably use that as an opportunity to foster general political discussion about things like the Constitution, etc. If you can get students interested in it, even if they support a candidate you don't like, then that's good teaching.

On the other hand, I can understand the teacher stopping the discussion if you're too off topic...

[ReccyV]

Well, in a way children are not considered to be human beings in the same was as you think of adults. They are largely not responsible for their actions (parents usually are), and as such they cannot do a lot of things that legally can be done by adults (sign contracts, drink, smoke, etc.). There's always a good reason for it, though, but sometimes I do think we go a bit far in keeping kids from being a part of things just because they are young.

I've signed contracts for art prizes and whatnot. As long as there's a notary present and the work is yours, a person of near any age can sign it away, regardless of the guardian's belief.

But yes, the school system is allowed to tell us what and what not to do because of the contract signed by both the student and parent, as Bowie stated previously.

It does bother me immensely when some complain about governmental and school-wide restrictions on children. Fuck, the world was running fine up until kids were given more rights. Think about it like this, you bitch and moan against oppression right now, but in oh ten, fifteen years, you'll be advocating limits on the rights of students and children because you've seen how many shenanigans they've gotten into. Life's a cycle, everyone's got their turn, no sense in bitching 'cause it's never gonna stop for you.

[Shaun]

In the U.S. and in many countries you cannot legally sign any sort of contract without a parent or guardian's co-signature. So, while you may have signed contracts for those prizes and what not, they weren't legal signatures and anything they may have taken from you was illegally taken. Notary's don't count unless you are a burden of the State, in which case you would have special permission within the law that would make notaries essentially guardians.

Limits are important, but it's also important to let kids make mistakes and learn from them. Unfortunately kids (specifically teenagers) have a tendency to be morons and ignore the vast majority of the lessons already learned by their parents (who have tried to pass them down to their kids, which usually fails). I did this, and most kids do. This is why kids don't have the same rights as adults. Young adult and pre-puberty brains are actually different from adult brains, so it's understandable that we want to keep them out of trouble.

[graysey]

Kids can always say what they want because they are kids - more often than not, they may not be aware what they're saying unless they're informed/educated what they're saying actually means.

[NightWriter]

If you had an issue with the teacher and brought it to the attention of someone on the school board then you would definitely be heard. It's not that kids are not allowed to say certain things, it's that they say them in ridiculous ways. If a teacher was doing something to anger you, swearing at her in the middle of class isn't going to solve anything. You do have a right to stand up for yourself but you must do so in a mature way. This also has nothing to do with the constitution, it's common sense and respect for others.

[Shaun]

Common sense, sure, but the reality is that people under the age of 18 have no rights. While we have laws against abuse, we do not have laws that grant children the same rights as an adult, except in rare instances.

[bigjo92]

We sign a contract before we go to school. Our rights are temporarily suspended when we are there. So if you are swearing, you are breaking the contract. Kids are too irresponsible, and it gets worse as they learn unless they start maturing.

We can't say, "I hate this teacher, so kick her out." This is not France.

i actually found this kind of humorous.

If you think that kids dont have the right to say what they want your crazy. what do you have over kids? nothing. i dont care if your 30 and there is a kid thats 15. he/she is a united states citizen, with equal rights just like you. there is absolutely no difference. Kids that get suspended/in trouble for what they say are flat out having there human rights violated. we are all equal. have you ever heard that one before? now you tell me what makes you think that kids should be an exception to the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

[bigjo92]

I've signed contracts for art prizes and whatnot. As long as there's a notary present and the work is yours, a person of near any age can sign it away, regardless of the guardian's belief.

But yes, the school system is allowed to tell us what and what not to do because of the contract signed by both the student and parent, as Bowie stated previously.

It does bother me immensely when some complain about governmental and school-wide restrictions on children. Fuck, the world was running fine up until kids were given more rights. Think about it like this, you bitch and moan against oppression right now, but in oh ten, fifteen years, you'll be advocating limits on the rights of students and children because you've seen how many shenanigans they've gotten into. Life's a cycle, everyone's got their turn, no sense in bitching 'cause it's never gonna stop for you.

look what your doing. bitching about kids having to much rights. what makes you so special to think that kids should be treated like a piece of dirt? i think thats just wrong. your no better than anyone else in this world, not even kids. every person was brought up learning the right way, then there is people like you who dont respect there rights, and make it a living hell for them. i think its kind of funny, when in about 8th grade i was learning about the constitution and ammendments. and that same very day i was sent to the office, by the same teacher mind you, for me talking to my friend next to me and saying "fuck" in my sentence. so much for the 1st ammendment.

[Shaun]

Dude, chill out. Capitalize your "I"s and chill. It's just a debate...

[Jack]

Also, I don't think you're going to get much of a reply from Reccy.

[MetallicGryffon]

I don't really care, my mom would K.O. me regardless.........................

[rampru]

Lately I have been cussing way to loud and to much at my school, but the teachers have only been telling me to stop nothing more. Also teachers have been letting me argue about my opinion more often. "Free at last, free at last, thank god almighty we are free at last!"

[Write]

I think that sense we are US citizens to so we should get rights to

[ManyIdeas]

All of the children in my school don't know about this 'contract' of which you speak. If they found out, there would be a revolution. I obviously am appaled we are not considered human beings in the sense of adults. If I was cut I'd still bleed. If I died, would I not have a funeral? Or am I not human enough? If I said something -to me- it would mean just as much. I've proved adults wrong on numerous occasions and that includes teachers.

I believe that anyone who enters secondary school has valid opinions. Just my opinion for you. School is like a prison. Education is a treasure. School over takes us and deletes any knowledge of just what educatioon is. Luckily, our drama teacher nailed it into some students that education is not school. She's a middle class citizen come from a lower class house hold, and she believes children deserve to dress how they want in school and bring their phones, because school would then be more relaxed and the children would listen.
I've seen evidence of this on non-school uniform days. The kids listen more and get more done, because then they don't have to feel like they are part of a machine. Because they can be who they want to be.