The 20/12 theory.

[Polly]

Being honest, scientists are constantly saying "OH IT'LL BE THE END OF THE WORLD" sorry, how many times have you predicted that? Plus they're relying on some sort of calender - if I'm right - which has been wrong in the past, I don't see why they need to get everyone worried without real proof sitting infront of them that the world will seize to evist on the 21st December 2012.
Post you're theories.

[Starry]

Actually, the Mayan calendar has been surprisingly accurate, predicting all sorts of things. But (as I've said before) this isn't the predicted "end of the world," it's just where the Mayans happened to have stopped counting. People are just getting worked up over nothing.

By the way, today I saw a "No, the world will not end on December 21, 2012" facebook group and it really amused me.

[Rafael Domination]

Load of crap. People said the world would end in the year 2000 (mostly a few weirdo Christians who obviously haven't been reading their Bible. Otherwise, they would have learned that not even the angels of Heaven know when that fateful day will come) but yet, here we are.

I wouldn't be too concerned with it. If we go, we go.

[Zombified]

Yes, its going to be the end of times because a race that no longer exists stopped drawing on their calenders.

:O

Oh, its a sign!

We're all gonna die!


Please...
:rolleyes:

[Crocolyle]

I very strongly doubt (I won't make a definite statement though) that the world will end in 2012. Ancient cultures have been wrong as often as the current ones.

Though, interestingly enough, all those people who say that the Earth isn't ending on December 21st, 2012 are as idiotic as those who say it is. They're also hypocritical, because like anyone else who makes a bogus prediction, they are making a bogus prediction to counter one that they think is bogus; however, it still is a prediction, maybe not obtained through metaphysical means, but still a prediction. No one knows what tomorrow brings. But why should anyone really care?

(I apologize for my wordiness)

EDIT: By the way, if I may make a bogus prediction:

"This is the way the world ends/Not with a bang, but a whimper"

[jordanisonfire]

So... my plan to go through the streets on Jan 1st 2012 singing The End by The Doors shouldn't go ahead, then?

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[Polly]

Maybe it stopped predicted things cause there will be world peace!
And everyone will be happy ^^

[Starry]

So... my plan to go through the streets on Jan 1st 2012 singing The End by The Doors shouldn't go ahead, then?

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Not January 1--it's December 21, Winter Solstice. Because when you think about it, a random day in the middle of winter is a really arbirtrary day to start the year. (Anyone know why that is? Now I'm curious.) So, you've got at least another eleven months.

[Lizzie]

Urmm...Hmmm. It was like when they predicted we would all dye a couple of months ago. Either we didn't die or were weirdly talking to each other from the dead. I think scientists should keep to themselves if were gonna die. Because we dont want to get worked up about and spend 2012 crying and such then on 21st, we all close our eyes waiting to die, and nothing happens, we just stand there. Except i'll be inside watching tv while everyone else is out on the street holding hands. Its a strange phenomina.

[Crocolyle]

It's not really scientists who hold the Mayan calender accurate, it's seers, soothsayers, weirdos, and non-academic amateur historians/archaeologists who have a belief in the paranormal. But who knows, the Mayans (and the crazies) could be right.

The scientists pick much more practical situations leading to our demise, but unfortunately most of them end in bangs (and the world is going to end in a whimper), so I find most of them equally unlikely: asteroids, volcanoes, nuclear holocaust, climate change, pandemic, etc.

[jordanisonfire]

Urmm...Hmmm. It was like when they predicted we would all dye a couple of months ago. Either we didn't die or were weirdly talking to each other from the dead.

Hm, I think I know what you're talking about. I can't remember its name, but it was something that would perform an experiment that would allegedly help us understand the beginning of the universe, but some scientists claimed that this would create a black hole and we'd all die. When I heard that on the radio, I thought, "Oh, fuck... we're dead." Then you hear Stephen Hawking's voice reassuring us that it wouldn't create a black hole, and he's the world expert on black holes, but that didn't really convince me. But no black holes since, so I don't think it'll happen.

[Lizzie]

Hmm....It was crazy a school the day before. Everyone was lke "I love you! When we die, I hope i'll be with you!" And me and my mates were so making fun. Funny.

[Starry]

Hm, I think I know what you're talking about. I can't remember its name, but it was something that would perform an experiment that would allegedly help us understand the beginning of the universe, but some scientists claimed that this would create a black hole and we'd all die. When I heard that on the radio, I thought, "Oh, fuck... we're dead." Then you hear Stephen Hawking's voice reassuring us that it wouldn't create a black hole, and he's the world expert on black holes, but that didn't really convince me. But no black holes since, so I don't think it'll happen.

The Hadron Collider? That was a really funny situation, actually. The only reason people freaked out is because the scientists working on it weren't supposed to discuss it at all, so when the one guy who did talk to the press said that it was possible, in theory, to create a black hole, everyone freaked.

The Hadron Collider broke, by the way, which is why you don't hear about it anymore. Something about a helium leak. It'll be out of commission for a couple of years, I think. So much for that.

[dj4ever]

I can't say I would mind the world ending SO much, because EVERYONE would be dead. It would just suck so much if you survived it. I mean, It's not like we can do anything about it if it is going to end.

[Shaun]

Yes, its going to be the end of times because a race that no longer exists stopped drawing on their calenders.

:O

Oh, its a sign!

We're all gonna die!


Please...
:rolleyes:

Technically the race never really died out, only the civilization...but your point generally still stands.

2012 will not happen, just like the spaceship behind Hale-Bopp didn't happen, or Y2k didn't happen, or all the other crazy end of the world predictions in all of human history haven't happened...you'd think we'd learn.

[Diocletian]

2012 will not happen...

Of course 2012 will happen.

[DefJam101]

With a bit of luck, the calendar will skip straight from 2011 >> 2013.

[Shaun]

I think 2012 is a leap leap year. Meaning we just skip it.

[ScottyMcGee]

it's just where the Mayans happened to have stopped counting.


That's exactly what I said.

One of my friends was a fanatic and bought a book. And I just said, "Dude, what if the Mayans just stopped counting? I mean like. . you know? They gotta stop the calendar at some point. "


No one can know when the world ends. The universe is highly unpredictable; quantum physics shows that.

If anything, I think it may be a mark of a "new era" or something. Some type of change. But no, not the end of the world.

One thing I find funny is that if everyone believes it, then OBVIOUSLY it's gonna happen. You know what I mean? If theoretically everyone stops what they're doing on December 21st, 2012, obviously nothing is going to happen.

[Rafael Domination]

I have never agreed with Shaun and Scotty more. :D

Still, have you guys seen the new 2012 trailer? Sends chills up my spine. But I have a point in this (not juts trying to spam, m'kay?) - who's to say that the mayans meant a cataclysm? Who knows, maybe it might be a new era like Scotty said, or a leap year that screwed up all their calendars and they just said 'yeah, we see nothing happening after this year, so let's stop counting' when the leap year maybe conflicted with all their calculations. So, my point is: let's cross that bridge when we get there. If the world ends, it ends. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It's best not to panic, causing widespread pandemonium and have the world DO end several years before.

[Zombified]

Yeah, because Mayans could see the future and know things before they happen.

Right.

Thats harder to believe than a guy who can hear everyone murmur to him at one time.

[Rafael Domination]

The way I see it, there was a 'Nostradamus' effect in place. You know: where someone just makes SO MUCH FRIGGIN' VAGUE PREDICTIONS, one or two of them are bound to come true - mostly because they're so ambiguous that people immediate relate them to events that have happened similar to them.

Besides: if the Mayans did predict the end of the earth, don't you think it would make sense for them to MAKE THAT PREDICTION and not just stop counting? For all you know, the priest in charge of the predictions slipped down the thousand or so steps leading up to the temple and broke everything on the way down...including his acolytes.

[Zombified]

Or idiot people just misinterpreted why they stopped working on their never ending calender.

Maybe they focused on making birthday cards instead. Or working on homemade apple pies.

Get with the picture people!

:rolleyes:

[Rafael Domination]

I know! :D

*But I'm still going with my theory of a catastrophic accident with their priests*

Still, it would be tragically funny if they turned out right...

[Lizzie]

I think its just a bunch of idiots thinkin that they can scare everyone by telling them that there gonna die. But then everyone will hate them when its a lie. So they wont win now. Either they die orget hated. Life is sweet.

[Shaun]

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[Pibs]

I have proof!

http://punditkitchen.com/2008/11/06/political-pictures-sarah-palin-mayans/

(I hope nobody here is a Palin fan... or I'm in for a bashing...)

[dj4ever]

hehe, I love that.
I really hope she never comes close to any position of power. It would be the end of the world!

[Jack]

What i can't quite seem to understand is how do these people suppose the world is going to suddenly end in 2012. What mindless lunatics can honestly say that they think the world is going to end in 2012? It denies all logic that a planetary body just 'ends' for no reason. Plus, i am pretty sure the Mayan's (or wotever the hell thier called) were NOT the only people do ever stop a calender on a certain date. Ridiculous if you ask me.

[Jack]

Hm, I think I know what you're talking about. I can't remember its name, but it was something that would perform an experiment that would allegedly help us understand the beginning of the universe, but some scientists claimed that this would create a black hole and we'd all die. When I heard that on the radio, I thought, "Oh, fuck... we're dead." Then you hear Stephen Hawking's voice reassuring us that it wouldn't create a black hole, and he's the world expert on black holes, but that didn't really convince me. But no black holes since, so I don't think it'll happen.

If you're on about the Large Hadron collider, they believe there was a 1/10,000 chance it would create a black hole, and the black hole would be the size of an atom and would last for .05 of a second. It was really no biggy. Again, its just people blowing things out of proportion.

[Shaun]

Draxcar: The guy who proposed that nonsense about the LHC creating a black hole that would destroy the world was a botanist. He wasn't even in physics or any field remotely related. And, to make matters worse, he made a lot of money off of people by getting them to donate to him to fund his lawsuit and his anti-LHC project. He fed off of people's fear, like a vampire. If there really were legitimate concern about the LHC, the scientists working on it and those in the know who have expertise in physics, astrophysics, particle physics, etc. would have spoken up. But what we ended up with was a man who studies plants taking advantage of people that aren't educated enough to know better. And almost nobody called this bastard out for it. He should have his degree stripped from him, because no true scientist would do that nonsense.

Also, as to why there is the belief that 2012 is the end of the world, yadda yadda:
The Mayans were exceedingly advanced for the time and place they lived in. The things they understood about the heavens, mathematics, etc. was beyond anything anyone else was doing in the world. They may have seemed primitive, but they were some of the first peoples to incorporate early methods of science into their culture, science that today we still use, by the way. So, by thinking on that, a lot of people have presumed that the Mayans predicted the world would end by the fact that their calendar simply stops. This is unheard of. It didn't stop because they died off or disappeared; it didn't stop because they just ran out of time to write it all down. It stopped because they intentionally stopped it there. Why? That's where it comes from. It may not make a lot of sense, but the question itself (why) still plagues us. It's an important question that, when answered, could tell us a great many things about early civilizations, etc.

Edit: To add, it should be noted that many civilizations that have disappeared off the face of the Earth have also been civilizations more advanced than any other civilizations of the time. By advanced I mean significantly advanced. This is something many have looked into as well and is an interesting subject for any archaeologist to study.

[Crazy Shyness]

I personally hate all of the end of the world mumbo-jumbo. I think the most obvious reason to why the calender just stops is that the head priest was just like, "Eh, we're like ahead by a hundred or so years eh? Let's go take a break or something." Don't quote me on this, but I heard on the History Channel that the planets are going to align themselves on that date or something. Scary! It's gets pretty funny when your channel who pratically worships WWII and 'history' starts showing stuff about the end of the world.

[Shaun]

The planets have aligned before. We're still here. Technically it's impossible for the planetary alignment to drastically change any orbits. The distance is too great between all of us. At least that's what the scientists say, and I'm much more likely to listen to a scientist than some sort of crazy religious wack spouting end-of-the-world nonsense.

[bigjo92]

facts, evidence, common sense are 3 things that everyone of these people that think the world is going to end in 2012 lack. there is absolutley no proof. december 21,2012 rolld around, we all hold our breaths, nothing happens and the second after that, the hypos will run to there basement to think up the next bullshit story to freak the whole world out. end of story.

[MetallicGryffon]

Stated by Lizzie.Because we dont want to get worked up about and spend 2012 crying and such then on 21st, we all close our eyes waiting to die, and nothing happens, we just stand there. Except i'll be inside watching tv while everyone else is out on the street holding hands.





Me and you both, lol

[MackenzieLN]

The world isn't ending in 2012. The mayan calender ends in 2012, which makes poeple think the world will end with it. But, the Mayan calender repeats itself every (not sure of the number) years. So, after 2012, the calender will simply be repeated... not ending.

[MetallicGryffon]

No, no, because an ancient civilization couldnt count past 2012, the world is gonna end for an unknown reason. Everyone will drop dead. Sarcasm spasm :)

[MackenzieLN]

No, don't tell me no. My History teacher told me so.

[MetallicGryffon]

I was being sarcastic.......

[MackenzieLN]

Yeah, I notice that after I posted. *embaressed*

[Rose]

The world isn't going to end in 2012 just because some people called Mayans said so, I mean people said that the human kind will never be able to walk on the moon, but we proved them wrong. I believe that 2013 is going to be the end of all the dumb heads who confirm that 2012 is the end of the world :P

[jdsncb23]

Actually, the end of the Myan calendar has already passed in either 2007 or 2009. So, we've missed our "2012," Therefore, we cannot die. YAY!

[Peppermental]

2012 is the end of a baktun. The mayan calendar is based on cycles, the baktun being one of these. its not just a random point in time when they stopped writing. it ends the 13th baktun.

So I'm confused as to what you mean when you say the "end of the Mayan calender has already passed"

[pinkydoll]

This is all folly.

Mayan calender precedes ours by four years, thus if 2012 is an accurate prediction, it would've occurred in 2008.

[jdsncb23]

This is all folly.

Mayan calender precedes ours by four years, thus if 2012 is an accurate prediction, it would've occurred in 2008.

That's what I meant.

[Xuxu]

I thinks this about 21st of December of 2012 it'll be a great inner change in the human people mind.

According to Mayan people, this is the date which their calendar is completed and means that time is starting again and we need begin believing again in that we can be happy with the most simple things.

This ain't a destructive date, is a date about hope and peace :rolleyes:

[Nevermore]

This is barely a debate at this point...considering I doubt that anybody here is stupid enough to really believe that the world is ending 2012.

Yay for not-debates and friendly exploration of ideas!

[Lizzie]

Is this really still going? Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbBmlHGgsgc

It's this mega hot chick talking about the end of the world and all the info you need to know.

[lalodragon]

I like this theory better than the may 21st. :rolleyes:
And that's my entire thought on the matter.

[bookworm]

Therefore, we cannot die. YAY!

You consider yourself immortal? O_o

I think that people are really bored and in need of sensation, so they use their imagination and instead of writing books, they make up the end of the world.
I agree that this isn't a debate, not many people believe in this (we're way too smart:P)... but the interesting thing is, I know a couple who believe in the 2012 thing. They are rennovating their house and they have two small kids. Why on earth would they do that if apparently in a year they are going to die? People continue to puzzle me.

[AlextotheAndra]

Utter nonsense

[Syn]

If you're going by the Mayan counting, then it's not really 21st Dec 2012, rather 28th Oct 2011. There's been some bullhorn about when the counting started or something like that so this is the revised date. Kind of hurries things up a bit, doesn't it?
Now, as for it being true or not, it's hard to tell until we see for ourself, but there are some fairly interesting (scientific even) theories that allude to it.
In any case, I'm looking forward to finding it out :)