Jacob or Edward

[casoloma123]

If you are a twilight junkie, you know about the "teams". Do you like Jacob the Werewolf or Edward the Vampire?

[appleofmyeye]

...

I'm just giving you some advice right now. RUN! The people here eat Twilight fans. I've only survived because I hate the author! RUN!!!!!!!!!!

(BTW I'm Switzerland)

[Shaun]

I like Jacob the Werewolf because as of yet the idiots who write supernatural fiction these days haven't turned werewolves into wimps.

FYI to apple: You're Swiss, not Switzerland. Switzerland is a country and I highly doubt that a country got up and learned how to use the Interwebs...

[Hypocrit]

...FYI to Shaun, Switzerland here refers to their stance on two world wars, not their nationality.

I'm for whoever is more likely to turn the books into the type of blood bath that would be actually brutal and real, as opposed to this new age Macbethean crap-ass half-shat trite it currently presents itself as.

[Shaun]

Oh, neutrality. I've never heard that saying before. I thought it was just an honest mistake of language. One of my friends from France says things incorrectly all the time...wrongful assumption. Nevermind Apple!

[appleofmyeye]

Haha, there is a Team Switzerland. I even have a t-shirt to prove it.

[casoloma123]

Personally, I like Jacob. I can't stand Bella or Edward. They are so in love it's gross. Edward is possesive. He isolates Bella from her friends and watching her sleep is kind of creepy...

BTW: The fact that Twilight has such a large fan base is astounding. I really don't care if people "eat" me for being part of it. I like the first book. I will admit that the series is overdone, especially towards the end, but the concept is good. I think that if so many people like there has to be something appealing to it, don't you? I like Twilight and I'm not afraid to admit it.

[appleofmyeye]

I agree, I'm obsessed and proud. Just giving you a warning :D.

[casoloma123]

consider it given. :)

[Shaun]

If you guys have a serious issue in regards to mean or downright dirty attacks on your interests...it's totally okay to point them out to Andy or I. Seriously. If you feel like someone is just attacking you for practically no reason you don't have to take it...

Just saying.

[GeorgeMichael]

*eats casoloma123*


There, it's done.

:)


Personally I''m going to go with Shaun and say I prefer Jacob because werewolves are awesome beasts that murder and tear people in half and for the most part they haven't changed one bit. They're just better looking more detailed human organ devourers... Vampires on the other side are love struck lonely depressed fools...

[appleofmyeye]

No no no, I find it hilarious! I actually enjoy it, they say the books are degrading to woman, and I say realizing that is half the fun. Don't worry, if I had a serious issue I'd tell you.

EDIT:

Lol George.

[casoloma123]

I've seen several of people who openly say they love twilight so I don't think it's actually a problem.

[Mercy]

This is more discussion than debate, in my opinion...

Anyway, Jacob before he was a werewolf because he had personality and wasn't an asshole. Besides, Edward is a Gary Stue, manipulative stalker. After Jacob became a werewolf, I lost all respect, espeically when he "imprinted" on a baby.

Overall? Neither. I prefer Ender Wiggin as a literary character. =)

[Nyx]

Jacob <3 If only he exsisted.

UGH. I hate it when people think it's gross that Jacob imprinted on a baby. It's actually becoming a petpeeve. Imprinting means they only love in a brotherly protective way until the baby's grown up old enough to understand. I think it's cute how he imprinted, and I love how it's such a huge slap in the face to Bella.

&& That's about all of my obsession with fictional characters for tonight.

[Mercy]

Still, the demon spawn baby is basically going to be "groomed" to marry and have sex with Jacob when she comes of age....or looks like she's of age. She'll be seven years old, techincally, right? :rolleyes:

Not only that, but she has no choice in the matter and it's kinda creepy. She's basically going to do it with her "brother". After all, he can't be her lover until she's old enough to understand the concept. ;)

[Starry]

Ok, as much as I despise the series, and both Jacob and Edward, something about the imprinting here:

Nothing Stephenie Meyer has ever done is the slightest bit original, and this is no exception. The idea of lifebonds, kind of an enhanced one-true-love with magical benefits thing, has been circulating around fantasy for a long time. Meyer was just the only one to ever have it happen to a character before they hit puberty. Bt if you've ever read Mercedes Lackey's Valdemar books, she's done some things with lifebonding that are just as weird (being lifebonded to two people at the same time, having your lifebonded lover reincarnated and re-bonding, lifebonding with your magical talking horse...)

[Rouge]

Screw both Edward and Jacob. [They're stupid.]

I'm Team IAN! :D

[Ichigo]

I am team Ian also. He romantically kicks Edwards ass.

What ever happened to good old Mr. Darcy either? I'm for him. Collin Firth is a sexy beast. And in the second Pride and Prejudice movie, Mr. Darcy is ever sexier.

TEAM DARCY/ TEAM IAN

But I like Jacob more.... After reading the last book I really like him. I used to hate him, but he's okay...

[appleofmyeye]

I never finished The Host, don't know why.

[dj4ever]

Jacob!!!
He is so much cooler, and sweeter. At least before he was a werewolf. After that he got just as controlling and bitchy as edward!!! :(
errggg.
But looks wise, edward all the way.

[jordanisonfire]

...you people know my thoughts.

:glare:

[appleofmyeye]

Ponytails=EPIC FAIL

[dj4ever]

What?

[appleofmyeye]

Jacob has a ponytail. Ew.

[jordanisonfire]

Ponytails=EPIC FAIL

I disagree!

[dj4ever]

OH ok.
Yes, thats weird.

[appleofmyeye]

Shad, you don't even have a ponytail so why would it matter to you if a guy had a ponytail?

[jordanisonfire]

...I'm defending guys who have ponytails? What's wrong with a guy having one?

[dj4ever]

Nothing, I just personally don't like em.
I know lotsa people who have ponytails (guys)
And I like them fine, I just don't think it's a good look.

[Nyx]

Still, the demon spawn baby is basically going to be "groomed" to marry and have sex with Jacob when she comes of age....or looks like she's of age. She'll be seven years old, techincally, right? :rolleyes:

Not only that, but she has no choice in the matter and it's kinda creepy. She's basically going to do it with her "brother". After all, he can't be her lover until she's old enough to understand the concept. ;)

demon spawn, haha that's great. But she doesn't HAVE to, the imprinting thing affects both of them (as in she loves him too), and it doesn't have to be when she looks of age its when she has the mental capacity which would also be pretty soon cause shes growing at superspeed and what not. But hey as long as she understands it. But he won't have "brother"ly love for her when they fucking have sex:P And she would have grown to love him as more than that.

Besides on Jacob's defence, an 100 and something year-old (Edward) fucking a 17 year old is worse than a 16 year old loving a 1 year old (with a mental capacity of like a 3/4 year old?) and wanting to protect her until she is old enough to love him back.

[jordanisonfire]

The more I learn about Twilight, the more fucked-up it seems...

[appleofmyeye]

Yeah... the last book was just fucking weird.

[Nyx]

The more I learn about Twilight, the more fucked-up it seems...

That's the fun part. It's like those soaps with seriously fucked up relationships=entertainment.

[Starry]

That's the fun part. It's like those soaps with seriously fucked up relationships=entertainment.

So that's how Twilight got popular? That's disgusting. I thought it was just mesmerizing preteen girls with its mindless stupidity.

[appleofmyeye]

Nah, that's most people. People that can recognize Twilight's stupidity (us) laugh at how fucked it is.

[jordanisonfire]

Yep, it appeals to the goth and emo teenagers, mostly, because they like to fantasise about Cullen and maybe Jacob. I wonder if Meyer actually planned it to be that way and knew that teenage girls would love this and she could just make something really cliche and be rich from it...

and eat the chocolate she likes...

^^

[appleofmyeye]

I was reading an article in my local paper about how Smeyer injects her mormon beliefs into Twilight. Which kinda disturbs me because some of the more radical mormon sects scare me. Here's a link...

http://www.sj-r.com/beliefs/x466663776/-Twilight-author-s-Mormon-faith-a-big-influence-in-books-film

[Starry]

That...makes a lot of sense, actually. And probably explains why Twilight is so screwed up.

I like that one of the ads at the bottom of the page was an Ex-Mormons support group. :)

[Hypocrit]

Personally, I like Jacob. I can't stand Bella or Edward. They are so in love it's gross. Edward is possesive. He isolates Bella from her friends and watching her sleep is kind of creepy...

BTW: The fact that Twilight has such a large fan base is astounding. I really don't care if people "eat" me for being part of it. I like the first book. I will admit that the series is overdone, especially towards the end, but the concept is good. I think that if so many people like there has to be something appealing to it, don't you? I like Twilight and I'm not afraid to admit it.

The fact that Nazism had such a large rise in popularity despite it's extremist ideals in such a short time despite the cultural stagnancy of the area is LAOS astounding.

The masses prove nothing, and tying artistic integrity to the whims of the masses is like tying a bird to a twelve ton bag of horseshit...

And decided to get out, take your clothes off, and go for a dip in the 12 ton bag of horseshit says alot more about you, and alot less about the horseshit and the bird, then you might have previously imagined.

[dj4ever]

I was reading an article in my local paper about how Smeyer injects her mormon beliefs into Twilight. Which kinda disturbs me because some of the more radical mormon sects scare me. Here's a link...

http://www.sj-r.com/beliefs/x466663776/-Twilight-author-s-Mormon-faith-a-big-influence-in-books-film

After I told my mom bout twilight she totally went on about all the crazy mormon stuff injected into it. I find it really ridiculous. One of my good friends was isolated from his mormon family and friends because he's gay. So, I find mormons insane and don't want anything to do with them

[Mercy]

demon spawn, haha that's great. But she doesn't HAVE to, the imprinting thing affects both of them (as in she loves him too), and it doesn't have to be when she looks of age its when she has the mental capacity which would also be pretty soon cause shes growing at superspeed and what not. But hey as long as she understands it. But he won't have "brother"ly love for her when they fucking have sex:P And she would have grown to love him as more than that.

Besides on Jacob's defence, an 100 and something year-old (Edward) fucking a 17 year old is worse than a 16 year old loving a 1 year old (with a mental capacity of like a 3/4 year old?) and wanting to protect her until she is old enough to love him back.

Imprinting does not actually affect the nonwerewolf. It was stated somewhere in the four books that a person can't help but give in to all the affection. Of course, Nessie probably won't care because by the time she's of age, she would have been taught that marrying Jacob is the right thing. It will be taught to her and she won't know anything else. Again, she's being "groomed" for Jacob.

Whether he feels brotherly or not to her isn't what I was talking about. Nessie will have seen Jacob as an uncle and/or a brother her entire life. How would you feel if you found out that your brother thinks your soulmates and your parents want you to get married to him? Honestly, would you want to marry someone you've looked at as your brother your entire life?

Yes, Edward and Bella's relationship is worse, but it doesn't exempt Jacob and the creature-that-should-not-exist. It's still pedophilia. Condoned pedophilia. :glare:

[Rouge]

I have quite a few friends who are mormon and they're great. :mellow:

[Nyx]

Imprinting does not actually affect the nonwerewolf. It was stated somewhere in the four books that a person can't help but give in to all the affection. Of course, Nessie probably won't care because by the time she's of age, she would have been taught that marrying Jacob is the right thing. It will be taught to her and she won't know anything else. Again, she's being "groomed" for Jacob.

Whether he feels brotherly or not to her isn't what I was talking about. Nessie will have seen Jacob as an uncle and/or a brother her entire life. How would you feel if you found out that your brother thinks your soulmates and your parents want you to get married to him? Honestly, would you want to marry someone you've looked at as your brother your entire life?

Yes, Edward and Bella's relationship is worse, but it doesn't exempt Jacob and the creature-that-should-not-exist. It's still pedophilia. Condoned pedophilia. :glare:

Just to point out something at the second paragraph:P : It's like when two people grow up together as best friends (like boy and girl) and they're as close as siblings but then they grow to love eachother as more. So yea, there's not much wrong wit that. The thing is, people's perceptions change as they grow up, someone who you always considered a very close friend won't always be that way, you could grow up and begin to love them as more.

I don't think it can actually be called pedophilia.

Pedophilia: A sexual dysfunction where the person achieves sexual arousal or satisfaction only through the sexual exposure of children

As long as Nessie is a child, their relationship isn't sexual so...

ANYWHO. You can consider it pedophilia, I'm tired of defending fictional characters.:rolleyes:

Now on to defending REAL people:

After I told my mom bout twilight she totally went on about all the crazy mormon stuff injected into it. I find it really ridiculous. One of my good friends was isolated from his mormon family and friends because he's gay. So, I find mormons insane and don't want anything to do with them

Generalising (sp?) people like that is quite wrong, DJ. You don't have to understand people's choice in religion, but atleast respect them enough to not insult them based on a few people's actions. Not all mormon's are the same. Just as no group of people are ever the same.

[Starry]

Yes, there are crazy mormons and there are not-crazy mormons. The kind you find on the internet are generally in the less crazy category and Stephenie Meyer is in the the crazy category. Case closed.

[appleofmyeye]

Crazy mormons scare me. Not crazy mormons are fine. Really, anyone that is extreemly devout to their religion intimidates me but whatever :).

[Mercy]

Just to point out something at the second paragraph:P : It's like when two people grow up together as best friends (like boy and girl) and they're as close as siblings but then they grow to love eachother as more. So yea, there's not much wrong wit that. The thing is, people's perceptions change as they grow up, someone who you always considered a very close friend won't always be that way, you could grow up and begin to love them as more.

I don't think it can actually be called pedophilia.

Pedophilia: A sexual dysfunction where the person achieves sexual arousal or satisfaction only through the sexual exposure of children

As long as Nessie is a child, their relationship isn't sexual so...

ANYWHO. You can consider it pedophilia, I'm tired of defending fictional characters.:rolleyes:



Even so, the fact that she is being groomed for him implies that he wants to have sex with her, whether it be now or in the future. In addition, he gave her a promise ring which is usually taken as a romantic gesture. And romance can lead to sex.

In any case, by reality's standards, Nessie would be around seven when she "came of age" to marry Jacob. And I doubt Nessie will suddenly stop seeing Jacob as a brother or uncle as soon as she hears she's going to be married to him. After knowing your uncle your whole life, would you want to have sex with him once you learn he's your "soulmate". Just because they look around the same age doesn't mean it isn't pedophilia. Techincally, Nessie is seven and in the real world, she would act and look like a seven year old. The fact that Jacob imprinted on a baby proves that it's pedophilia. Whether it's sexual from the start or not, while she is growing up, he's bound to have thoughts about her.

[Nyx]

Even so, the fact that she is being groomed for him implies that he wants to have sex with her, whether it be now or in the future. In addition, he gave her a promise ring which is usually taken as a romantic gesture. And romance can lead to sex.

In any case, by reality's standards, Nessie would be around seven when she "came of age" to marry Jacob. And I doubt Nessie will suddenly stop seeing Jacob as a brother or uncle as soon as she hears she's going to be married to him. After knowing your uncle your whole life, would you want to have sex with him once you learn he's your "soulmate". Just because they look around the same age doesn't mean it isn't pedophilia. Techincally, Nessie is seven and in the real world, she would act and look like a seven year old. The fact that Jacob imprinted on a baby proves that it's pedophilia. Whether it's sexual from the start or not, while she is growing up, he's bound to have thoughts about her.

He doesn't love her like that from the start, dammit. He doesn't think "I wanna do her in 5 years". All it says that he thinks is "the universe revolves around her" which doesn't apply anything sexual. He KNOWS that eventually he'll like her romantically but it doesn't mean he does so at the present time. And she doesn't have to marry her. And she's not gonna be told "you're gonna marry her", he's gonna purpose (sp?). And sure she's seven, but twilight isn't exactly real life shit and she's a lot older mentally which changes everything. And I don't think he'd have thoughts about her like that. As she grows up, he just wants to protect her and be there for her. And if she doesn't "suddenly" like him as more than brotherly (sisterly?) love then she can say no when he purposes to her. It doesn't mention anything about the imprinter torturing her into marriage.

[Mercy]

He doesn't love her like that from the start, dammit. He doesn't think "I wanna do her in 5 years". All it says that he thinks is "the universe revolves around her" which doesn't apply anything sexual. He KNOWS that eventually he'll like her romantically but it doesn't mean he does so at the present time. And she doesn't have to marry her. And she's not gonna be told "you're gonna marry her", he's gonna purpose (sp?). And sure she's seven, but twilight isn't exactly real life shit and she's a lot older mentally which changes everything. And I don't think he'd have thoughts about her like that. As she grows up, he just wants to protect her and be there for her. And if she doesn't "suddenly" like him as more than brotherly (sisterly?) love then she can say no when he purposes to her. It doesn't mention anything about the imprinter torturing her into marriage.
But it can be implied. How could she resist when her parents, aunts/uncles (Rosalie, Emmett, Alice, Jasper, etc) tell she she should? I doubt she'll have a choice whether she wants to marry him or not.

[dj4ever]

What I think is freaky is Edward will be able to hear all of Renesmees thoughts. Wouldn't it suck to have your father hear everything you think? Especially when she becomes an adult and has her own life with Jacob. No privacy

[Nyx]

But it can be implied. How could she resist when her parents, aunts/uncles (Rosalie, Emmett, Alice, Jasper, etc) tell she she should? I doubt she'll have a choice whether she wants to marry him or not.

I doubt rosalie would want Renesme (who she loves so much) to marry Jacob (whome she hates). And then Emmett would as always back her up. Edward would also not want her to marry him because well they're like all-time rivals. Jasper will not want her to because well he's still new to this covent thing and is all traditional (werewolves vs. vampires). The only significant person who would want that marriage is Bella and A. I doubt she'd pressure her own daughter who she loves so much
B. I don't think Renesme would let her mom decide who she marries, I know I wouldn't give a damn who my parents wanted me to marry.

[Mercy]

I doubt rosalie would want Renesme (who she loves so much) to marry Jacob (whome she hates). And then Emmett would as always back her up. Edward would also not want her to marry him because well they're like all-time rivals. Jasper will not want her to because well he's still new to this covent thing and is all traditional (werewolves vs. vampires). The only significant person who would want that marriage is Bella and A. I doubt she'd pressure her own daughter who she loves so much
B. I don't think Renesme would let her mom decide who she marries, I know I wouldn't give a damn who my parents wanted me to marry.
Edward would, I believe. Didn't he call Jacob his son in book four? Now that Jacob has imprinted on Nessie, there is no reason for them to be rivals. Rosalie, Emmett and Jasper may not approve but I have a feeling that SMeyer would make it all happy-dorey with them, just so it fits in her little perfect universe.

Nessie will give in though, in the end, whether its because of her mother, Edward or Jacob. He'll be babysitting her until she's old enough to have intercourse, grooming her and I doubt anyone else in that universe is going to try to stop it. SMeyer clearly wants a "happyverse" despite the fact that it may give off bad themes. Such as child grooming and possible pedophilia.

[Nyx]

Edward would, I believe. Didn't he call Jacob his son in book four? Now that Jacob has imprinted on Nessie, there is no reason for them to be rivals. Rosalie, Emmett and Jasper may not approve but I have a feeling that SMeyer would make it all happy-dorey with them, just so it fits in her little perfect universe.

Nessie will give in though, in the end, whether its because of her mother, Edward or Jacob. He'll be babysitting her until she's old enough to have intercourse, grooming her and I doubt anyone else in that universe is going to try to stop it. SMeyer clearly wants a "happyverse" despite the fact that it may give off bad themes. Such as child grooming and possible pedophilia.

But see the thing is: Meyer wrote the book. In her writing style Nessie will LOVE Jacob, it won;t be giving in, it'll be her desire.. Which makes this whole argument pointless. And since Jacob/ed/bella all love her they're not going to pressure her to do anything. It'll be her choice. And why in the world do you think Jacob wants to do Nessie NOW? It's not about "until she's old enough" it's about "until they both love eachother romantically and want to marry/have sex/ do whatever the fuck they want to do"

[appleofmyeye]

Lalala, I'm Team Switzerland! Yay for indecisiveness!

[Nyx]

Team IAN FTW!

[Rouge]

Nyxie, I love you.

I CLAIMED HIM FIRSTS.♥

[Nyx]

Haha love you too.

If it wasn't for you, I would have never known about Ian :love:

[Mercy]

But see the thing is: Meyer wrote the book. In her writing style Nessie will LOVE Jacob, it won;t be giving in, it'll be her desire.. Which makes this whole argument pointless. And since Jacob/ed/bella all love her they're not going to pressure her to do anything. It'll be her choice. And why in the world do you think Jacob wants to do Nessie NOW? It's not about "until she's old enough" it's about "until they both love eachother romantically and want to marry/have sex/ do whatever the fuck they want to do"

I'm going to quote bitowurd from twilightsucks.com. She/He says this better than I do.

"How does Nessie know she loves Jacob for who he is, and not just because she'll have lived her whole life with that destiny in mind? SMeyer has this bad habit of glossing over the potential problems in a relationship by saying 'but they love each other'. As most people know, you can love a person and still be better off without them in your life. Reneesme's an unusual child. She's going to have virtually no childhood, and is surrounded by people who can read her mind, who can affect her emotions, predict her future, and to whom she can directly transfer her thoughts. Her sense of self-identity would be a nightmare in the real world - half the time she wouldn't know if she was feeling or thinking something because it was expected of her, because she'd be influenced to feel that way, or because that was really what was inside of her. Add to that the uncertainty of how her emotional development will match up with her physical development, and you've got a ticking time bomb, which is compounded by the fact that Jacob is already convinced they're going to be together (promised ring).

"Plus, no matter how physically grown she would be by the time she's seven, the fact would remain that she'd only been on this earth for seven years. You can't use the argument 'but she looked eighteen' in a courtroom, after all."

[jordanisonfire]

Ugh, I bet this "Ian" is no different from Cullen.

[Rouge]

Ugh, I bet this "Ian" is no different from Cullen.

Ian is human, number one. He's vulnerable, and he . . . he's real. xD Or at least you could find a guy like Ian.
He's not superman, he's just a man.

If he were anything like Edward, I'd disown my love for him.

But he's not. :P

[jordanisonfire]

Meh, I thought girls liked the whole vampires thing. Some kinda freaky fetish... almost like necrophilia... holy crap, I've just realised, Cullen's bitch was a necrophiliac.

[Rouge]

Meh, I thought girls liked the whole vampires thing. Some kinda freaky fetish... almost like necrophilia... holy crap, I've just realised, Cullen's bitch was a necrophiliac.


I'm all for them being human, xD.

And yes, she is a necrophiliac. lolololololol.

[Eilidh]

my friend inrl has the surname Cullen

[Nyx]

I'm going to quote bitowurd from twilightsucks.com. She/He says this better than I do.
[quote]
I'm going to quote bitowurd from twilightsucks.com. She/He says this better than I do.





Why is there a site called Twilight sucks? And why would you go on it? I mean why WATSE your time by being so dedicated to hating the book when you can go and read/write something you love?


"How does Nessie know she loves Jacob for who he is, and not just because she'll have lived her whole life with that destiny in mind? SMeyer has this bad habit of glossing over the potential problems in a relationship by saying 'but they love each other'. As most people know, you can love a person and still be better off without them in your life.


She doesn;t know, she'll never know. BUut that doesn't change much. She'll know if she loves him or not (with all conditions applied) and that's all there is to it.
Yes you can love a person and be better off without them but that really all comes down to your definition of "better off". Many people enjoy a life other people would consider not so good if they're with who they love.



Add to that the uncertainty of how her emotional development will match up with her physical development, and you've got a ticking time bomb, which is compounded by the fact that Jacob is already convinced they're going to be together (promised ring).

"Plus, no matter how physically grown she would be by the time she's seven, the fact would remain that she'd only been on this earth for seven years. You can't use the argument 'but she looked eighteen' in a courtroom, after all."


it doesn't matter how physically old she fucking looks. Meyer never mentions anything about Jacob sitting down waiting for Renesme to look 18 so that he can attack nor is it implied. In a superhappy word such as Meyer's, Jacob will wait until she is MENTALLY ready, or 18 or until she understands what she's comitting to.




Ugh, I bet this "Ian" is no different from Cullen.

Eh, Ian's human:p He's also alot more realistic, he's kind of the Jacob of the Host while Jerad(sp?) is more of the Edward.

[appleofmyeye]

Yet again another example of why Smeyer has very little originality. Same character dynamics and ANOTHER love triangle? Please.

[Mercy]

[quote=Mercy;63935]I'm going to quote bitowurd from twilightsucks.com. She/He says this better than I do.


Why is there a site called Twilight sucks? And why would you go on it? I mean why WATSE your time by being so dedicated to hating the book when you can go and read/write something you love?
It's a crit site. We discuss the themes, characters, plot holes, etc. of Twilight and it's a place where people who don't like the book (God forbid :rolleyes:) to hang out. Why have sites dedicated to Twilight when you can read other books and increase your knowledge. Now if that isn't the biggest waste of time, I don't know what is. Twilight sucks and reading the crits are actually helping me be a better writer. I doubt Twilight does much other than provide some brief enjoyment.



She doesn;t know, she'll never know. BUut that doesn't change much. She'll know if she loves him or not (with all conditions applied) and that's all there is to it.
Yes you can love a person and be better off without them but that really all comes down to your definition of "better off". Many people enjoy a life other people would consider not so good if they're with who they love.


Exactly. She'll never know. SMeyer is romantizing grooming, making it seem "okay". Yeah, maybe for some, but with a country who wants to move foreward this idea is taking us back two steps. Jacob will be helping to raise said demon spawn, meaning he can influence her greatly on the decisions she makes, the things she likes, the things she sees, etc. The fact that she'll never know anything else is what bothers me. It's the fact that she's already reserved for Jacob. He gets her a promise ring for her first Christmas, if that isn't proof enough.

Even if she is enjoying this life, romantizing it for other young girls to read will make them think the same thing. It won't happen to all of them, but it can happen. Books, movies, video games, everything a person sees influences them. In fact, I just came across a music video for a baby Nessie/Jacob pairing. If that wasn't disturbing, I don't know what is.




it doesn't matter how physically old she fucking looks. Meyer never mentions anything about Jacob sitting down waiting for Renesme to look 18 so that he can attack nor is it implied. In a superhappy word such as Meyer's, Jacob will wait until she is MENTALLY ready, or 18 or until she understands what she's comitting to.


And with all the grooming that will be going on, I doubt she'll fully understand by reality's standards. Her thought process: "Oh, uncle Jacob is my soulmate! And my parents knew and they kept us together and our TRU LUV will conquer all! I'm glad they were so thoughtful to have him close to me!"

Of course, this will have been because of the grooming and no actual choice would be on her part, just like Edward rarely let Bella choose through the books. But that's another discussion.

[dj4ever]

Just wanted to add something in here:

From the very beginning Renesmee wanted to be with Jacob. That was the reason Bella needed Jacob so much more than usually well she was pregnant, and why she lost that longing for him after she had her kid. Renesmee left Bellas body and she took her need for Jacob.

[Mercy]

Just wanted to add something in here:

From the very beginning Renesmee wanted to be with Jacob. That was the reason Bella needed Jacob so much more than usually well she was pregnant, and why she lost that longing for him after she had her kid. Renesmee left Bellas body and she took her need for Jacob.

How can a mother pass down emotional attachments to an unborn child?
Even if it is half vampire, that isn't possible.
Oh, wait, I forgot. It's the perfect fast-growing baby who takes care of everyone's problems. How could I forgot.
Seems like an easy way out for Bella....oops, I meant SMeyer. :rolleyes:

[dj4ever]

Hahah yes. This is of course a completly fake story about unrealistic people.

[Nyx]

It's a crit site. We discuss the themes, characters, plot holes, etc. of Twilight and it's a place where people who don't like the book (God forbid :rolleyes:) to hang out. Why have sites dedicated to Twilight when you can read other books and increase your knowledge. Now if that isn't the biggest waste of time, I don't know what is. Twilight sucks and reading the crits are actually helping me be a better writer. I doubt Twilight does much other than provide some brief enjoyment.


I just find it hilarious that such a large group of people would rather discuss something they hate instead of something they like.



Exactly. She'll never know. SMeyer is romantizing grooming, making it seem "okay". Yeah, maybe for some, but with a country who wants to move foreward this idea is taking us back two steps. Jacob will be helping to raise said demon spawn, meaning he can influence her greatly on the decisions she makes, the things she likes, the things she sees, etc. The fact that she'll never know anything else is what bothers me. It's the fact that she's already reserved for Jacob. He gets her a promise ring for her first Christmas, if that isn't proof enough.

She will know other things, she'll have a whole life. I doubt Jacob will never step back and let her try loving someone else. Remember, Meyer wrote this. Meyer also wrote that Edward wanted Bella to have a normal life, always asked her if she was sure she wouldn't rather go out with an actual human. Which means Jacob [a similar character created by the same damn writer] would want what's best for Renesme and would give her the chance to know other people/things.
And it's not grooming, as DJ pointed out, Renesmee always had a connection, a love and need for Jacob from even before she was born.

Even if she is enjoying this life, romantizing it for other young girls to read will make them think the same thing. It won't happen to all of them, but it can happen. Books, movies, video games, everything a person sees influences them. In fact, I just came across a music video for a baby Nessie/Jacob pairing. If that wasn't disturbing, I don't know what is.


Those girls you mention will have to learn to judge things better and I doubt people are sitting there waiting for a werewolf to come imprint on them. If anyone is, the clearly then problem is much bigger than just Twilight. But that is a different discussion.



And with all the grooming that will be going on, I doubt she'll fully understand by reality's standards. Her thought process: "Oh, uncle Jacob is my soulmate! And my parents knew and they kept us together and our TRU LUV will conquer all! I'm glad they were so thoughtful to have him close to me!"

Of course, this will have been because of the grooming and no actual choice would be on her part, just like Edward rarely let Bella choose through the books. But that's another discussion.

I , or actually DJ, already addressed the grooming thing so I won't repeat myself.

[Mercy]

She will know other things, she'll have a whole life. I doubt Jacob will never step back and let her try loving someone else. Remember, Meyer wrote this. Meyer also wrote that Edward wanted Bella to have a normal life, always asked her if she was sure she wouldn't rather go out with an actual human. Which means Jacob [a similar character created by the same damn writer] would want what's best for Renesme and would give her the chance to know other people/things.

Sure, relate the "love" to Edward and Bella. Of course, Edward constantly forced her to do things she didn't want to do or stopped her from doing things she did. Like taking the engine out of her car so she couldn't see Jacob. Or the fact that he forced her to go to prom. Or that he's constantly putting her in danger, telling her so, stays around her and then tells her she can't hang out with the werewolves because they're dangerous too.

She won't have a normal life. The baby will be just as controlled as Bella is. Whether they're happy or not, in my opinion, it's wrong and romantizing it to millions of teenage girls isn't right either.


And it's not grooming, as DJ pointed out, Renesmee always had a connection, a love and need for Jacob from even before she was born.

Just because she magically has a connection doesn't mean shit when she comes out of the womb. He'll still be able to groom her, she's just more willing. Which is completely impossible, by my standers. Emotional attachment does not transfer from the mother to the child through the womb. I don't care if it's a fucking half vampire baby. It's one of the most stupid, mary-sue, self-insertion, perfect life shit I've ever read. And I've read a shit load of crappy fanfictions.




Those girls you mention will have to learn to judge things better and I doubt people are sitting there waiting for a werewolf to come imprint on them. If anyone is, the clearly then problem is much bigger than just Twilight. But that is a different discussion.



Well, Twilight isn't helping thier mental state either. It's only endorsing it. :glare:

[Nyx]

Sure, relate the "love" to Edward and Bella. Of course, Edward constantly forced her to do things she didn't want to do or stopped her from doing things she did. Like taking the engine out of her car so she couldn't see Jacob. Or the fact that he forced her to go to prom. Or that he's constantly putting her in danger, telling her so, stays around her and then tells her she can't hang out with the werewolves because they're dangerous too.
He took the engine out of the car to protect her. If my child who was 17 (I'm saying child so that there's love is certain) is going to go see what I think to be a killer then I would take the engine out of her car. Wouldn't you?
He forced her to go to prom because he knew she'd enjoy it if she took a chance which she did.
People have put themselves and their lovers in danger before for staying together, it's not unsual.


She won't have a normal life. The baby will be just as controlled as Bella is. Whether they're happy or not, in my opinion, it's wrong and romantizing it to millions of teenage girls isn't right either.

She won't have a normal life? Is that a joke? Oh and I here was thinking the half-vampire baby in the fantasy book was going to have a normal life. Thank god you were here to point it out to me.Bella is WILLINGLY controlled. Renesmee will not be controlled unless she wants to be. And all babies have to be controlled to a certain extent, no parents let their babies run lose.



Just because she magically has a connection doesn't mean shit when she comes out of the womb. He'll still be able to groom her, she's just more willing. Which is completely impossible, by my standers. Emotional attachment does not transfer from the mother to the child through the womb. I don't care if it's a fucking half vampire baby. It's one of the most stupid, mary-sue, self-insertion, perfect life shit I've ever read. And I've read a shit load of crappy fanfictions.

Actually, in a fantasy world it does mean shit. It means the connection will last. I'm well-aware that it's completely impossible in the REAL-world. But in Meyer's made-up world it's clearly possible. If you don't like perfect life shit, I fail to understand why you read breaking dawn. There's nothing wrong with reading about perfect lives, it's already in our fantasies, might as well read about it too.




Well, Twilight isn't helping thier mental state either. It's only endorsing it. :glare:

I don't see any harm in it.

[Mercy]

He took the engine out of the car to protect her. If my child who was 17 (I'm saying child so that there's love is certain) is going to go see what I think to be a killer then I would take the engine out of her car. Wouldn't you?

1) Bella is not Edward's child, thus the relationship changes. (With Jacob, his relationship changes with Ness as she grows older, however that doesn't change the fact he's already going to marry her when she comes of age. She still has no choice in the matter, albeit there is the illusion of a choice.)
2) Intention does not condone the act. And if he wants to protect her so bad, he and his cookie-cutter family should leave thus making the werewolves turn back into normal humans (there is no longer a need for them) and Bella is safe. And why does he let her around Jasper who tried to kill her but not Jacob? And can't he read Jacob's mind so he knows whether or not he will hurt Bella. No, I think it's a control issue. Or severe jealousy.


He forced her to go to prom because he knew she'd enjoy it if she took a chance which she did.
People have put themselves and their lovers in danger before for staying together, it's not unsual.


Well, the prom is dangerous, isn't it? All those tables and chairs and feet Bella can trip over. I sure hope Peter never puts me in danger like that. And I doubt even if it was more severe danger, he wouldn't.


She won't have a normal life? Is that a joke? Oh and I here was thinking the half-vampire baby in the fantasy book was going to have a normal life. Thank god you were here to point it out to me.Bella is WILLINGLY controlled. Renesmee will not be controlled unless she wants to be. And all babies have to be controlled to a certain extent, no parents let their babies run lose.


I know she won't have a perfectly normal life. By normal, I meant that she would have the ablitiy to chose for herself.

In addition, if:

Bella's emotions -> Nessie so that Nessie <3 Jacob, wouldn't Bella's personality transfer also? Even if it was not an exact replica, other traits could be assumed. Like Nessie having no backbone/easily controlled. Either way, she's going to be groomed. Jacob's helping raise her = influence + marriage pretty much already alluded too = Nessie not having as much control as she thinks. I doubt she will have much control over that aspect of her life.

Yes, babies have to be controlled. However, I have a feeling she'll still be controlled when she's older, whether she knows it or not, by the dominant male character in her life, AKA Jacob and probably Edwardm her father.



Actually, in a fantasy world it does mean shit. It means the connection will last. I'm well-aware that it's completely impossible in the REAL-world. But in Meyer's made-up world it's clearly possible. If you don't like perfect life shit, I fail to understand why you read breaking dawn. There's nothing wrong with reading about perfect lives, it's already in our fantasies, might as well read about it too.


I hate that people use that fantasy world excuse.
Fantasy DOES NOT EQUAL do whatever the fuck you want. By SMeyer's logic in the first 3 books, Nessie shouldn't even exist. She broke her own rules (using faulty explaniations) and then tries to make everything happy for her characters. This in turn, creates no plot, character development or theme. After all, it's not like she thinks about what she's writing (I do believe that's a direct quote).

Fantasy must have realistic elements, espeically because this story takes place in the real world. Thus, the fantasy is limited to some degree. And if you haven't noticed by now, Meyer's world has no logic. The only reason most fans don't notice it is because it's a wishfulfillment. That's also why they don't notice they can get this shit for free on quizilla.
I hate perfect life shit because it creates no story. It does not deserve to be on a shelf for literature, around books, published and on the bestsellers list. This woman put no thought, only a rated G wet dream, into her novel. Over half the book is purple prose and bad fanfiction. I've been reading fanfiction for five years and I've written it and I know when I see shit. Unfortunatly, I didn't realize until I got serious about writing, but I did, thankfully. Or else I'd be making the same craptastic mistakes as SMeyer. Just because the writer says it's possible doesn't mean it is. It has to have logic and reasoning behind it.
Why read about something we already know? Why put it on the bestsellers list? It's disgusting and it stunts our growth. I believe that we constantly need to search for more, accept conflict and develop as people. Being stuck in the mindframe of a perfect world only leads to downfall.

Also, I did not read Breaking Dawn. It came out right when I went from fan to neutral and after reading the spoilers and attempting to get through the first few chapters, I had to put it down and become an anti. I can not take that crap and I feel sorry for all those girls who get their parents to buy that book for them when they can get it for free on quizilla.

1) Jacob will groom Nessie, she doesn't have as much say as you think she does.
2) Nessie shouldn't exist.
3) Intent does not justify the action.
4) Fantasy =/= do whatever you fucking want.
5) Perfect lives = no story b/c of no conflict/character development/plot.

[Rouge]

I hate that people use that fantasy world excuse.
Fantasy DOES NOT EQUAL do whatever the fuck you want. By SMeyer's logic in the first 3 books, Nessie shouldn't even exist. She broke her own rules (using faulty explaniations) and then tries to make everything happy for her characters. This in turn, creates no plot, character development or theme. After all, it's not like she thinks about what she's writing (I do believe that's a direct quote).

Fantasy must have realistic elements, espeically because this story takes place in the real world. Thus, the fantasy is limited to some degree. And if you haven't noticed by now, Meyer's world has no logic. The only reason most fans don't notice it is because it's a wishfulfillment. That's also why they don't notice they can get this shit for free on quizilla.
I hate perfect life shit because it creates no story. It does not deserve to be on a shelf for literature, around books, published and on the bestsellers list. This woman put no thought, only a rated G wet dream, into her novel. Over half the book is purple prose and bad fanfiction. I've been reading fanfiction for five years and I've written it and I know when I see shit. Unfortunatly, I didn't realize until I got serious about writing, but I did, thankfully. Or else I'd be making the same craptastic mistakes as SMeyer. Just because the writer says it's possible doesn't mean it is. It has to have logic and reasoning behind it.
Why read about something we already know? Why put it on the bestsellers list? It's disgusting and it stunts our growth. I believe that we constantly need to search for more, accept conflict and develop as people. Being stuck in the mindframe of a perfect world only leads to downfall.

Also, I did not read Breaking Dawn. It came out right when I went from fan to neutral and after reading the spoilers and attempting to get through the first few chapters, I had to put it down and become an anti. I can not take that crap and I feel sorry for all those girls who get their parents to buy that book for them when they can get it for free on quizilla.

1) Jacob will groom Nessie, she doesn't have as much say as you think she does.
2) Nessie shouldn't exist.
3) Intent does not justify the action.
4) Fantasy =/= do whatever you fucking want.
5) Perfect lives = no story b/c of no conflict/character development/plot.

I love you. xD Cos that's how I feel, exactly.

[littledreamer!]

well, I love Edward so much! I know...i love him cuz i am shallow:blush:...but he is georgous! Jake, after all, was an afterthought. and edward does everything he can for Bella...he has total devotion! Who wouldn't love that?:D

[Nyx]

1) Bella is not Edward's child, thus the relationship changes. (With Jacob, his relationship changes with Ness as she grows older, however that doesn't change the fact he's already going to marry her when she comes of age. She still has no choice in the matter, albeit there is the illusion of a choice.)

It's not about a child/parent relationship, it's about loving someone. If my boyfriend (I didn't use that example because I have never loved someone as much as I imagine true love must be like) was about to put himself in danger, I would do anything to stop him, even if it meant being controlling, or taking away his choice. I would rather take away his choice than have them hurt/killed.


2) Intention does not condone the act. And if he wants to protect her so bad, he and his cookie-cutter family should leave thus making the werewolves turn back into normal humans (there is no longer a need for them) and Bella is safe. And why does he let her around Jasper who tried to kill her but not Jacob? And can't he read Jacob's mind so he knows whether or not he will hurt Bella. No, I think it's a control issue. Or severe jealousy.


It doesn't have to condone the action, it explains it well enough though. Maybe the action was wrong, but it was protecting against a worst situtaion. But he already knows that moving away would only result in Bella falling apart and hurting herself. He let's Jasper around him because Jasper has been in school before and has learned to control himself around humans. And because obviously he trusts his brother more than someone he doesn't know. And reading his mind is irrelevant. His worry isn't Jacob purposely hurting her, it's him losing control like Sam did with Emily.



Well, the prom is dangerous, isn't it? All those tables and chairs and feet Bella can trip over. I sure hope Peter never puts me in danger like that. And I doubt even if it was more severe danger, he wouldn't.

It is but Edward would be there to protect her, catch her if she falls ect. You keep hoping, but I hope when I get a boyfriend, he'll love me enough to get me to try new things I am scared off so as to help me stretch my limits.



I know she won't have a perfectly normal life. By normal, I meant that she would have the ablitiy to chose for herself.

In addition, if:

Bella's emotions -> Nessie so that Nessie <3 Jacob, wouldn't Bella's personality transfer also? Even if it was not an exact replica, other traits could be assumed. Like Nessie having no backbone/easily controlled. Either way, she's going to be groomed. Jacob's helping raise her = influence + marriage pretty much already alluded too = Nessie not having as much control as she thinks. I doubt she will have much control over that aspect of her life.

What do Bella's emotions have to do with Nessie?
Well mothers do influence their daughter's by personality so that's quite natural, isn't it? If my mom is used to being easily pressured to do stuff I could easily learn from her to do the so but it doesn't necessarily go like that. He's helping raise her because he wants to be around her. For the billionth time he's not waiting to pounce, he would let her see other people before she makes the choice.


Yes, babies have to be controlled. However, I have a feeling she'll still be controlled when she's older, whether she knows it or not, by the dominant male character in her life, AKA Jacob and probably Edwardm her father.

I have a feeling she won't be.



I hate that people use that fantasy world excuse.
Fantasy DOES NOT EQUAL do whatever the fuck you want. By SMeyer's logic in the first 3 books, Nessie shouldn't even exist. She broke her own rules (using faulty explaniations) and then tries to make everything happy for her characters. This in turn, creates no plot, character development or theme. After all, it's not like she thinks about what she's writing (I do believe that's a direct quote).

Okay so Nessie "shouldn't" exist, yet she does. And based on your critiscm that means no plot, no cd,etc. That's a whole different argument and has little to do with Jacob imprinting.



Fantasy must have realistic elements, espeically because this story takes place in the real world. Thus, the fantasy is limited to some degree. And if you haven't noticed by now, Meyer's world has no logic. The only reason most fans don't notice it is because it's a wishfulfillment. That's also why they don't notice they can get this shit for free on quizilla.
I hate perfect life shit because it creates no story.

Of course it's wishfulfillment, just like cheesy movies that don't ever happen in real life. It doesn't mean that a cheesy movie me and my friends make in an hour with no editing is as entertaining as a edited thought through (arguably atleast to some extent) movie.
Same reason why we pay for Twilight.



It does not deserve to be on a shelf for literature, around books, published and on the bestsellers list. This woman put no thought, only a rated G wet dream, into her novel. Over half the book is purple prose and bad fanfiction. I've been reading fanfiction for five years and I've written it and I know when I see shit. Unfortunatly, I didn't realize until I got serious about writing, but I did, thankfully. Or else I'd be making the same craptastic mistakes as SMeyer. Just because the writer says it's possible doesn't mean it is. It has to have logic and reasoning behind it.

There's far worst books out there. Yet people seem to somehow concentrate on Twilight? Why? I'm not sure really. And that G rated wet dream (though it's barely G by BD) is entertaining. Some people write books to provoke thought, create new ideas etc, and some people write for pure entertainment. And how can you be so sure that she put no thought in it? Maybe Twilight really IS the extent of her thoughts. It means it's possible in the writer's world.


Why read about something we already know? Why put it on the bestsellers list? It's disgusting and it stunts our growth. I believe that we constantly need to search for more, accept conflict and develop as people. Being stuck in the mindframe of a perfect world only leads to downfall.

That's just it, it's not something we know. I doubt any of us have actually lived a perfect life. It`s something we wish for but will probably never KNOW. I don't believe that simple shallow fantasies stop our growth. They just give those whose lives are moving too fast a slight, 500 paged break.

[Mercy]

It's not about a child/parent relationship, it's about loving someone. If my boyfriend (I didn't use that example because I have never loved someone as much as I imagine true love must be like) was about to put himself in danger, I would do anything to stop him, even if it meant being controlling, or taking away his choice. I would rather take away his choice than have them hurt/killed.



It doesn't have to condone the action, it explains it well enough though. Maybe the action was wrong, but it was protecting against a worst situtaion. But he already knows that moving away would only result in Bella falling apart and hurting herself. He let's Jasper around him because Jasper has been in school before and has learned to control himself around humans. And because obviously he trusts his brother more than someone he doesn't know. And reading his mind is irrelevant. His worry isn't Jacob purposely hurting her, it's him losing control like Sam did with Emily.



It is but Edward would be there to protect her, catch her if she falls ect. You keep hoping, but I hope when I get a boyfriend, he'll love me enough to get me to try new things I am scared off so as to help me stretch my limits.



What do Bella's emotions have to do with Nessie?
Well mothers do influence their daughter's by personality so that's quite natural, isn't it? If my mom is used to being easily pressured to do stuff I could easily learn from her to do the so but it doesn't necessarily go like that. He's helping raise her because he wants to be around her. For the billionth time he's not waiting to pounce, he would let her see other people before she makes the choice.


I have a feeling she won't be.



Okay so Nessie "shouldn't" exist, yet she does. And based on your critiscm that means no plot, no cd,etc. That's a whole different argument and has little to do with Jacob imprinting.



Of course it's wishfulfillment, just like cheesy movies that don't ever happen in real life. It doesn't mean that a cheesy movie me and my friends make in an hour with no editing is as entertaining as a edited thought through (arguably atleast to some extent) movie.
Same reason why we pay for Twilight.



There's far worst books out there. Yet people seem to somehow concentrate on Twilight? Why? I'm not sure really. And that G rated wet dream (though it's barely G by BD) is entertaining. Some people write books to provoke thought, create new ideas etc, and some people write for pure entertainment. And how can you be so sure that she put no thought in it? Maybe Twilight really IS the extent of her thoughts. It means it's possible in the writer's world.


That's just it, it's not something we know. I doubt any of us have actually lived a perfect life. It`s something we wish for but will probably never KNOW. I don't believe that simple shallow fantasies stop our growth. They just give those whose lives are moving too fast a slight, 500 paged break.


My internet has been acting up since yesterday, I'm tired and we are debating (or is it arguing?) and it is obvious that we will never see eye-to-eye on this subject.

I would like to comment on the last part - about reading about perfect lives. As far as I can tell, I grew when I read The Giver. I did not when I read Twilight. I grew when I read The Crucible. I did not when I read fanfiction for five years.

Perhaps it's just me, but I prefer to stay away from perfection. It numbs the mind and the heart and as far as I can tell, it's the last thing teenagers need. Averege teenagers, anyway. Those with harsh problems, then yes, I can see it as an escape. But most of us read these books and stories and we don't grow. We don't learn. We stay static and selfish (not saying that all teenagers are selfish, mind you). And that's one of the main problems I have with these books. All you hear is Bella complaining, being selfish and then you see her life work out perfectly.

I've seen other kids my age who don't know anything about the world around them. Who take what they hear as true like a child, instead of finding out for themselves. I've been striving to be the same way ever since I started reading books with meaning. And that's what books should have, meaning.

Yes, entertainment is good but a book can have meaning and be entertaining. Wish fulfillment can be written by anyone and kept to themselves or shared among friends. But publishing...well....I can't agree with that.

Now that I've gotten that out of my system, I'd like to put a stop to this debate for reasons stated in the first paragraph. There's no way you can see this from my point of view, which I now understand. I still hold strong on everything I've previously said, but I'm sick of repeating myself.

So, now, I'm done.

[Nyx]

Kay, well I believe that we can't live on just books with meaning orr solely just on entertainment. Which is why we need a mix of both. More of the first of course but you know what I mean.

Anyways, I'm sick of repeating myself too.

Fin.

[Eilidh]

Edward by far.
After seeing Twilight i'm now in love with him :blush:

[jordanisonfire]

They're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!

Give it a damn rest already. When I read manga, I sometimes find girls who I think, "I'd have a crush on her, if she were real." But I don't act like they actually exist and declare my undying love for them. And even if they were real, you'd have to get in line with millions of other fangirls who're in love with pretty boy Cullen.

Also, haven't we already had a massive discussion on this crap? Seriously, can't we just have one Twilight thread?

[samurai5]

I really don't like the guy that plays Edward on twilight... There is no man on this earth godly gorgeous enough to play Edward Cullen, Therefore I'm going to go with Jacob:)

[Rouge]

Ugh
UGH

This is the last straw.

This stuff has to stop.
-goes to message Shaun-

[jordanisonfire]

Don't bother, I already have, and he said if they continue to create more threads, he'll do something about it.

[Rouge]

Too late. He'll have to do something with more than one complaint. -.-

[jordanisonfire]

Not necessarily, it's only if say a quarter of YWO's members complained that he'd have to consider it. If it's just you who complains after me, then he can just repeat what he said to me.

[appleofmyeye]

They're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!

Give it a damn rest already. When I read manga, I sometimes find girls who I think, "I'd have a crush on her, if she were real." But I don't act like they actually exist and declare my undying love for them. And even if they were real, you'd have to get in line with millions of other fangirls who're in love with pretty boy Cullen.

Also, haven't we already had a massive discussion on this crap? Seriously, can't we just have one Twilight thread?

Tis why I love you.

Meh, vampires suck. Werewolves stink. The actors are where it's at.

[Majyk]

Also, haven't we already had a massive discussion on this crap? Seriously, can't we just have one Twilight thread?

One is even too many xD.

[appleofmyeye]

But, I have to be fair, Twilight is what restarted my writing. And the books are fun to talk about. I like it for the rabid fandom, not the actual book.

[Majyk]

I suppose. I just hear (read) about Twilight a lot on here :p

[Rouge]

Yeah, but isn't four (is it four? I know there are three) threads too much?
Jeez. One thread is enough.

[Shaun]

Thread closed primarily due to the fact that this thread is also relatively pointless at this point. I think whatever was being argued was already argued and now it's just wandering into weirdness and what not. If you guys want to gush and stuff over the characters, try to keep it to the one Twilight thread we already have. If you want to have serious literary discussion about the books and the genre it fits into, etc. then I'm okay with additional threads provided it remains serious. We really don't need loads of threads for fans of Twilight to drool in. Keep the drool contained in one thread lest we all be drowned.

Thanks everyone.