Jesus vs. Zeus: Who would win? [Archive]

Nyx

09-06-2008, 08:34 PM

Well I think Jesus on his OWN would lose, because he's not a God. But Jesus with the Abrahamic God behind him would school Zeus.

Jesus

But, I do not condone this debate. Respect people....honestly! I am Catholic and i take my religion seriousely,and this is kinda offensive.
:(

Religion doesn't deserve anymore respect than anything else. Greek Mythology and Religion get the same amount of respect, and since no one's complaining about this being offensive to Zeus worhsipers, I don't see why you should complain about it being offensive to Jesus. This is a fun debate, if you don't condone it, don't come on it.

Lykaios

09-06-2008, 08:58 PM

Jesus, because Zues has ager issues and would mis-aim his lightning bolts.
Jesus, because he could ask a mountain to sit on Zues.
Jesus, because he had several million followers where most of Zues' are dead or strange.
Jesus, because he has a dad that would cane Zues at anything.
Jesus, because he's like verywhere whereas nobody knows where Zues is, probably on a cloud or chasing women.
Jesus, because he can't be killed.
Jesus, because he could ask a mountain to sit on Zues.

So yeah, Zues sucks, Jesus rules. :)

Mercy

09-06-2008, 08:59 PM

Zeus would win because Jesus is anti-violent...but Jesus would walk away the stronger man....erm....God....x3

Nyx

09-06-2008, 09:05 PM

I like Mercy's response. I didn't think of that...Jesus wouldn't fight him.

jordanisonfire

09-06-2008, 11:19 PM

Who cares? It should be something like Hades vs. Loki or Set vs. Poseidon. You know, some deities that actually kick ass!

Shaun

09-07-2008, 04:14 AM

By the way, Jesus can't tagteam. It's JUST Jesus vs. Zeus. Not Jesus and his followers or Jesus and the Abrahamic God. Just Jesus, which means he can heal himself with a touch, walk on water, turn water in wine (or the other way around), or come back from the dead.

So with all that in mind I am going to amend my decision. If Jesus can come back to life on a whim, then that means Zeus can never actually kill him, so I propose that Zeus would eventually just die of exhaustion after having to fight Jesus over and over and over and over and chase him over water and stop Jesus from turning his water into wine, etc.

Edit: I plan to have more of these silly debates later, so nobody make other threads. If you want to see a godly throw down, then let me know. I think this could be a public tournament or some craziness.

Zombified

09-07-2008, 07:28 AM

Zeus would win.

Why?

He's the king of gods.
Is Jesus a god?
No.

Thats why.

seikoXchan

09-07-2008, 07:46 PM

Jesus would win, no bout'a'doubt it.

Respect people....honestly! I am Catholic and i take my religion seriousely,and this is kinda offensive.
:(

Right on.

Is Jesus a god?
No.
Aaaah! The atheism... or whatever you are... it burns!
Jesus is part of the HOLY Trinity. He is the son of God. Ai caramba.

Zombified

09-07-2008, 07:49 PM

He is the son of God.

Exactly.
SON of God.
Not A God.
The son of a musician is not always a musician.
The son of a welder is not always a welder.
And in this case, Jesus is not a god.

Case closed.

Lykaios

09-07-2008, 08:52 PM

Yes, but he's not a man on Earth now is he?

He's in heaven being God/Spirit, whatever.

And if he's part of God, in a different form, and in heaven, then he'll still have the powers that God has etc.

Nyx

09-07-2008, 10:55 PM

Jesus would win, no bout'a'doubt it.

Right on.

Aaaah! The atheism... or whatever you are... it burns!
Jesus is part of the HOLY Trinity. He is the son of God. Ai caramba.

First off, if you're asking for respect then the least you can do is respect atheism. Practice what you preach.

Second, saying Jesus isn't God isn't atheism, you said so yourself that he is no God.

Yes, but he's not a man on Earth now is he?

He's in heaven being God/Spirit, whatever.

And if he's part of God, in a different form, and in heaven, then he'll still have the powers that God has etc.

Jesus didn't have the powers God did, he isn't part of God, God is a part of him. And based on almost all religions God put a part of himself in all humans. Are all humans that go to Heaven, God? No.

Rafael Domination

09-07-2008, 11:39 PM

Ahaha. Imelda and Nyx...are you sure you wanna match Bible skills with a Bible thumper like me. Your guesses are as wrong as heck, and since I did find out that college will be a few months from now, I guess I will have a bit of time to spend on YWO. Just not as much as before. Anyways...

Jesus is God incarnate in flesh. I could point out several passages all over the Bible in which Jesus literally equates his very being to God the Father, and the Pharisees, got ticked at that. Jesus even told the Pharisees straight up that he was they very Word of God, and a being equal to his father. The only reason why he established that Separation from God was a) to set an example of obedience and b) that was part of the whole 'sacrificing himself' ordeal. There are a lot of paradoxes concerning God, and Jesus with the Trinity being a three in one at the same time, is one of them.

Jesus would win because Zeus was prophesied by Prometheus that he would meet with a fat worse than Kronos, believed by some to be death.
Jesus would also win because the Trinity Paradox would still be in effect. There is no 'just Jesus as a man'. Fighting with him included fighting with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Zeus, like all the other immortals, need ambrosia to stay immortal. Without it, he's a goner. Jesus, on the other hand, has total immortality.
Jesus is a being beyond all imagining, without a beginning, without any limits, with power beyond any imagining (and believe me, I myself can imagine quite a bit), beyond infinity. Zeus cannot even undo what Hera, his wife, could do.
Jesus has been at full power from infinity past. Zeus actually HAD to be born and nurtured. Jesus could simply travel back in time in kill Zeus as a baby.

Yeah, there's no contest here.

*By the way, the 'wine' you guys are talking about was actually translated from the hebrew equivalent of 'grape juice', as in the non-alcoholic stuff they used to mix into their not-so-clean water back in the days.'

Yup.

Nyx

09-07-2008, 11:52 PM

Ahaha. Imelda and Nyx...are you sure you wanna match Bible skills with a Bible thumper like me.
You do realize that makes me imagine you in a superhero suit [cape and all], with big writing in the front: Bibel Thumper whilst you thump a bible on my head and Imelda's.
No offence is meant, just saying what your phrasing made me imagine. I think thumper was a bad word choice. :laugh:

Jesus is God incarnate in flesh.

I don't want this to be another super long religious debate since I'm fasting and have a major headache so I'll just say I don't agree with that. :rolleyes: [I know, my debating skills are sooo strong]

Hey, that's not a thing against Zeus, to be fair. Men's wives have been doing undoable things since the beginning of time.
Haha.

jordanisonfire

09-08-2008, 09:45 AM

Haha, Raf just pwned all your asses. I still stand by what I said: we should talk about more kick-ass Gods than Zeus and Jesus.

Nyx

09-08-2008, 11:28 PM

^Me too.

Yea, lets move on too actual God vs. God -cough-JesusisnotGod-cough

We should have a Abrahamic God vs. All Greek Gods thread.

Rafael Domination

09-09-2008, 12:12 AM

Hey, that's not a thing against Zeus, to be fair. Men's wives have been doing undoable things since the beginning of time.

You got a point. But hey, what I'm saying is that even HIS WIFE is more powerful than him at times. Heck, Hypnos, God of Sleep, not even the king of the Greek Pantheon, just a minor God, could easily put Zeus to sleep. I mean, how pathetic is that.

Anyhoo, Nyx, I think it is clear we do stand on different grounds, but still...Jesus did equate himself with God, so if that happened, then he cannot be a good Prophet either...so yeah, he's either God or a total liar. And I know we might stand on different grounds on that again.

Anyways...I mean, can't we have better debate? This is like Wolverine versus friggin' Inuyasha. There's always some cuckoo voting for the more 'popular' guy (Wolverine) even though we all know that the half-breed who could fry a continent with one swing of his sword would win. Why not more interesting matches like ODIN VERSUS ZEUS? I mean, they're evenly matched.

And thanks, Shadow.

Why not a Greek VERSUS Norse VERSUS Egyptian VERSUS Japanese Pantheons? I actually have an animation going on like that (VERSUS: PANTHEON). I mean, which pantheon reigns supreme?

Nyx

09-09-2008, 12:15 AM

Anyhoo, Nyx, I think it is clear we do stand on different grounds, but still...Jesus did equate himself with God,
He didn't in the Qu'ran. We are on different grounds.

Anyways yea, we should move on to better matched debates.

Rafael Domination

09-10-2008, 02:50 AM

ODIN vs ZEUS vs AMUN RA. All three are Chief Gods, all have their own weaknesses and strengths, and all of them kick butt.

Who'll be in first, second and third place? :D

Shaun

09-10-2008, 05:59 AM

Hey, hush, once this fight is over and I can determine a clear winner I'm going to do other battles between super duper beings. So :P

Double A

09-11-2008, 03:05 AM

Yea, lets move on too actual God vs. God -cough-JesusisnotGod-cough Yes he is.

Nyx

09-11-2008, 06:04 AM

Yes he is.
Who is what?

Double A

09-13-2008, 06:18 PM

Yes, Jesus is God, if I understood him right. :)

Nyx

09-13-2008, 06:19 PM

Yes, Jesus is God, if I understood him right. :)

Jesus is a prophet. God is God. God is not human. Jesus is human.

jordanisonfire

09-13-2008, 06:22 PM

How's this for you? Jesus did not exist! That is, the son of God Jesus didn't exist. A random lunatic called Jesus who decided he'd rebel against the Romans did exist.

Andy

09-13-2008, 08:00 PM

Jesus is a prophet. God is God. God is not human. Jesus is human.
Depends on which denomination you're talking about. Some he's 100% human, some 100% God, some 50/50, some 100% both. :D

Shaun

09-13-2008, 08:03 PM

We're going with the belief that he was a mortal man with special powers at this point. The Christian God isn't going to show up in the battles because there's too little that is known about him/her/it that you can basically have anything happen...and that's not fair to the other gods :P

Nyx

09-13-2008, 08:03 PM

Depends on which denomination you're talking about. Some he's 100% human, some 100% God, some 50/50, some 100% both. :D

How can he be God AND Human?

EDIT:
We're going with the belief that he was a mortal man with special powers at this point. The Christian God isn't going to show up in the battles because there's too little that is known about him/her/it that you can basically have anything happen...and that's not fair to the other gods :P

Exactly. If we brought in the Christian God, the other Gods would always lose.

Andy

09-13-2008, 08:18 PM

How can he be God AND Human?
I turn you into a sheep. You retain your level of intelligence and ability to think. Sheep and human. Not just sheep. Not just human. :)

Whatever.

Nyx

09-13-2008, 08:43 PM

I turn you into a sheep. You retain your level of intelligence and ability to think. Sheep and human. Not just sheep. Not just human. :)

Whatever.

If you turned me into a sheep I wouldn't retain human intelligence, I'd have sheep intelligence. Hence the flaws of Jesus being God.

-Wallflower-

10-27-2008, 01:21 AM

Ooh...
I was gonna say I reckon Zeus would win. I mean, he can stand on clouds and has those lightning bolts, right?
Jesus would be walking merrily away on water and get electrocuted tenfold XD
Bless 'im :p

Phantom

10-27-2008, 01:31 AM

Jesus would win because God is his father.
Jesus would win because you cannot fight someone imaginary.
Jesus would win because he is the Messiah.

appleofmyeye

10-27-2008, 01:38 AM

Jesus would win because right before their epic battle Jesus would turn Zeus' Gatorade into wine so he'd be too drunk to fight!

Alright that was silly but whatever :).

Zaphkiel

10-27-2008, 01:42 AM

This thread is very insulting to to the religious members on the site like me. I don't approve of this debate at all. Shaun, you must have been tired when you made this thread.:mad:

Nyx

10-27-2008, 01:46 AM

^ To be honest Zaph, this is just a fun thread. There's really nothing offending about it.

Zaphkiel

10-27-2008, 01:49 AM

I know, I'm not trying to over-react or anything, I just don't think it's right. I mean, I'm a Christian, so something like this really doesn't...appeal to me.:(

appleofmyeye

10-27-2008, 01:50 AM

Zaphkiel

10-27-2008, 01:54 AM

This is why it I hate religion. It turns people into hypocrites because it has no tolerance for other people's opinions (such as the right to talk about Jesus in a non-serious way). Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jesus preach acceptance? Or was that just to other Christians?

I'm sorry if this is stepping on some people's toes but... my opinion.

First of all, I'm not a hypocrite, and I do have a tolerance for other people's opinions. Christianity does accept everyone, but that doesn't mean we approve.

Nyx

10-27-2008, 01:56 AM

I understand, Zaph. And thanks for not over-reacting. I suggest just staying off this thread if it continues to offend you.

@ Apple: that's a good question/ discussion starter but this isn't the thread for it. If you truely want to discuss or debate the hyprocisy of acceptance of religion the feel free to start a new thread, I'm sure others will be interested in that as well.

Zaphkiel

10-27-2008, 01:58 AM

Wouldn't be much of a debate, seeing that I'm right.

appleofmyeye

10-27-2008, 02:10 AM

Not responding to that.

Sorry though to Zaphkiel for insulting you. Just made me kind of mad.

-Wallflower-

10-27-2008, 02:10 AM

Zaphkiel

10-27-2008, 02:11 AM

It's alright, don't worry about it.:cool:

Rafael Domination

10-27-2008, 05:39 AM

To Phantom -

Yus, being God's son probably does have it's advantages if you are arbitrarily thrown into a fight with a Greek God (as you often are), but, technicaly, Zeus is God of Gods, so, y'know.

Not to mention, Jesus is so skinny.
Heehee.

Hey, here's a fun fact!
Didja know, that in the bible, it says it's a shame upon a man to have long hair, and who's always depicted with lengthy brown locks under that throny crown?

I just always found that interesting... lol

This thing still alive? :D

Hah. While I don't take insult to this kind of thread, it is the refusal of the facts that annoy me.

Okay, we're going by a Christian Jesus here. If it was a Muslim Jesus, then yes, he will lose, because he was a human prophet. But the Christian Jesus is an Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Beyond Infinity, a Being which no Greater Other can be thought of, The One who Holds Everlasting and all Omniverses in his hand, The One who Transcends everything we can fit into our finite minds about him...the only thing was he was 'clothed' in human flesh.

Zeus - get this - was BEATEN BY HYPNOS WHO WAS JUST A MINOR GOD OF SLEEP. I MEAN WAKE UP PEOPLE, WHAT KIND OF A SUCKER IS THAT? JESUS COULD CALM DOWN ANY STORM ZEUS CARED TO BREW UP. ZEUS, WASN'T EVEN EVERLASTING. HE'S PROBABLY A FEW THOUSAND YEARS OLD. THE CHRISTIAN JESUS CLAIMED TO BE EVERLASTING, THE FIRST AND THE LAST, ALPHA AND OMEGA. THERE IS NO CONTEST HERE. NO. NOTHING. I CAN BEAT ZEUS BECAUSE I AM THE NINJAGOD AND I SAY SO. BUT, I CAN'T BEAT JESUS. ERGO, JESUS IS MIGHTIER THAN ZEUS. THAT'S ENOUGH PROOF.

I wish people would go for more tasteful matches. I mean, Odin vs. Ra vs. Zeus. Now there's a contest.

^^

:D

Peace to all.

*And Zaph, excellent control over that Tsunade Temper.*

*And Apple, what Zaph said was correct. Christians can disapprove, like any other human beings, of things. And that's a right we all have. Tolerance is only violated when we DO something to harm or hurt others. But by simply not agreeing with something doesn't make us one inch nearer to being a hypocrite.*

Nyx

10-27-2008, 06:07 AM

^ Just a note, it doesn't say anywhere is the first post that we have to go with the christian Jesus.

Rafael Domination

10-27-2008, 07:26 AM

Which is why I stated both of them. ^^

Still, don't Prophets command a sizable power mass of their own? Well, hmmm...the rules were you couldn't have help in any sort of way, so if a prophet faced an immortal as a human, well, I guess there is no contest. That's kinda unfair, though. When the speciality of a combatant is to call upon something, then it should count. I mean, it would be the the YWO melee:

Let's say, Azrael vs George. Azrael's speciality, his power is to Summon minions. George has a wide variety of magic, ranged and melee attacks. Now, Shaun's rule would be like saying "NO SUMMONS ALLOWED." Sure, summons defeat the purpose of one vs. one, but if the power to call or summon is part of the combatant, I think it would be unfair to deprive them of that. So even if the Muslim Jesus were to face Zeus, he should still be able to call a couple of angels down, you get my drift? The Christian Jesus, however, wouldn't need any help.

And no, Shaun, I'm not trying to undermine your authority. :P I'm just saying...

Shaun

10-27-2008, 07:54 AM

The rule was that it had to be Jesus by himself. No help. Only the powers granted to Jesus as Jesus, not as God or anything. The same for Zeus. Zeus only gets to fight by himself. No other gods/monsters/whatever.

Just clarifying. So what you have is this:

Jesus can walk on water, turn water into wine, heal people, and come back from the dead.
Zeus can do just about everything except come back from the dead.

-Wallflower-

10-27-2008, 11:39 AM

Jesus can walk on water, turn water into wine, heal people, and come back from the dead.
Zeus can do just about everything except come back from the dead.

Okay lol well in that case, Jesus would probably win XD

I mean, even a god has to get tired, right? :P

Zombified

10-27-2008, 11:58 AM

Uh...doesn't Jesus only come back from the dead on Easter?

Basically...Zeus could kill him, then a year later, kill him again.

Simple enough.

Rafael Domination

10-28-2008, 06:10 AM

Ah, I see we're going by the Christian Jesus - the same one who said all authority and power is given to him. Okay, let's see. Shaun, you're forgetting the part where Jesus calmed down the storm in an instant, created matter out of nothing when he fed 4000 people on two instances with fish and bread, instantly killed a fig tree with one word (i.e. he has an instant-kill ability), Omniscience (yes, he still had that), and the ability to call upon millions of angels. Yes, I know the last part is not allowed, but you did say

Only the powers granted to Jesus as Jesus

Which means that his power is to call beings should count. It's like, again, Azrael vs. let's say Zomb. Azrael's power as Azrael was to summon things, and just because that makes it two vs. one it doesn't make it unfair. If that is the speciality of the contestant, then he or she should be granted access to that power.

Anyways. Jesus won't need the angels. Remember, as Jesus, the Fabric of Reality obeys his very command. Satan knew Jesus could speak and the stones in the wilderness would turn into bread. Jesus could very well speak and wipe Zeus out when Zeus was a baby just by saying. "I command you to never have been born," and since that's Jesus' power as Jesus...well...the outcome is obvious. Instant Uncreation.

Umm-hmmm. ^^

Nyx

10-28-2008, 06:46 AM

@Riff-Raff: If Jesus & God exist, you definately should have a reserved seat up in heaven with all your sucking up support of them:rolleyes:

Shaun

10-28-2008, 06:48 AM

You're applying far too much power to Jesus. I'm not talking about Jesus as God. I'm speaking entirely of the mortal version of him, not the all-flying super duper Jesus that never existed :P.

Zombified

10-28-2008, 07:38 AM

...the all-flying super duper Jesus that never existed :P.

Got that right.

;)

Zaphkiel

10-28-2008, 11:28 AM

Raf, why are you even bothering to argue with them about something as stupid as this, just save your breath and walk away from the thread.

Rafael Domination

10-28-2008, 02:37 PM

Well, Zaph, this as supposed to be a fun debate, but it's not so much fun with people creating their own version of Jesus just so Zeus could win.

You're applying far too much power to Jesus. I'm not talking about Jesus as God. I'm speaking entirely of the mortal version of him, not the all-flying super duper Jesus that never existed .

Apparently, you've never read the scriptures, eh? Even as a mortal, Jesus commanded those powers. If you still don't wanna go with that, then you've pretty much just created your own version of Him.

Kay, to finalize the debate:

Shaun's (nutcrack) Version: Looses vs Zeus
Muslim Version: Looses vs. Zeus
Scriptural Version: Wins vs. Zeus

I still think Summoning should be an accessible power. :P

-Wallflower-

10-28-2008, 02:55 PM

Gah.
Well, I reckon if no powers were accessable, and they both fought as humans without powers, Zeus would win because Jesus is skinny and small and Zeus is huge and all muscley(sp?). lol.

Zaphkiel

10-28-2008, 10:28 PM

Well, Zaph, this as supposed to be a fun debate, but it's not so much fun with people creating their own version of Jesus just so Zeus could win.

Apparently, you've never read the scriptures, eh? Even as a mortal, Jesus commanded those powers. If you still don't wanna go with that, then you've pretty much just created your own version of Him.

Kay, to finalize the debate:

Shaun's (nutcrack) Version: Looses vs Zeus
Muslim Version: Looses vs. Zeus
Scriptural Version: Wins vs. Zeus

I still think Summoning should be an accessible power. :P

Im just saying, I wouldn't waste my breathe on people who don't want to learn the truth; it's pointless really. You should just walk away and let them come up with their own dillusions of this debate...No offense guys.

Shaun

10-28-2008, 10:39 PM

The whole point of this debate, Zaph, is to be completely pointless and silly. Jesus would win anyway simply because Jesus was smart and Zeus is a jerk...plus, Jesus can resurrect himself :P

jordanisonfire

10-28-2008, 10:39 PM

Meh, I don't believe in any higher power, but it's still fun to debate and think of.

Zaphkiel

10-28-2008, 10:43 PM

The whole point of this debate, Zaph, is to be completely pointless and silly. Jesus would win anyway simply because Jesus was smart and Zeus is a jerk...plus, Jesus can resurrect himself :P

I see...

Uriel

10-28-2008, 11:35 PM

You must think you're really smart, Zaphkiel!:cool: Do you know me?

Zaphkiel

10-28-2008, 11:36 PM

You must think you're really smart, Zaphkiel!:cool: Do you know me?

Oh no, it can't be...

Crazy Shyness

10-28-2008, 11:44 PM

I don't think one could even win. Besides the fact that they are from diffrent religeons and such (and Jesus is real:rolleyes:) , if they could fight Jesus is dead now and up in heaven and Zeus would be all in Olympus. Sure Jesus could pop up in our world, but he couldn't be killed cause he's already dead. Zeus would just lose because he would just get thrown in to Tartarus or something, but not killed because he is a "God". ;)

Zombified

10-28-2008, 11:51 PM

Or maybe Jesus wouldn't win because he was just a man.

Crazy Shyness

10-28-2008, 11:54 PM

But if we thought that way, what would be the point of having the thread? If it is just a dude against an immortal, sort of pointless to bother with a debate then.

jordanisonfire

10-28-2008, 11:55 PM

True, he was just a man, either an insane man or a liar, we can't really tell. BUT I enjoy assumption debates, say if dinosaurs existed today, what would today be like?

Zombified

10-28-2008, 11:55 PM

Because if we can argue about other fairy tale and fantasy creatures we should be allowed to do so with these two fictional people.

jordanisonfire

10-28-2008, 11:58 PM

Well, Zeus is fictional, but Jesus wasn't. He existed, but he wasn't holy. As I said before, he was either insane or a liar.

Zombified

10-28-2008, 11:59 PM

I meant fictional in the sense that Jesus had powers.

:P

jordanisonfire

10-29-2008, 12:02 AM

Heh, you could have worded it better. Nerr!

Crazy Shyness

10-29-2008, 12:03 AM

A million christrian religions can't all be wrong! :D

Nyx

10-29-2008, 12:04 AM

^ sure they can:rolleyes:

Zombified

10-29-2008, 12:05 AM

They are.

All of them.

Every single one.

phytoxoeia

10-29-2008, 12:17 AM

If you want to be technical, they can't both exist at the same time, because they're both of different religions. Zeus is sort of the God of Greek history, and Jesus is... well, he's obviously the God of Christian religion.

But this is a hypothetical debate, so screw technicality!

I think that after a very long and epic battle between the two, that involved much thunder, lightning, flashes, bangs, and what-not, Zeus would come out on top. Have you seen the size of him? Powers can only get you so far...

Uriel

10-29-2008, 12:35 AM

Well, Zeus is fictional, but Jesus wasn't. He existed, but he wasn't holy. As I said before, he was either insane or a liar.

Isn't that a little too...harsh. I mean, he existed, but he wasn't insane or a liar. He was holy, and died for our sins so that we wouldn't burn in hell. Zues could never do something like that.

Crazy Shyness

10-29-2008, 12:37 AM

Zues could never do something like that.

Mostly because he can't be human without Hera getting mad at the newest relative. Cough Hercules Cough.

-Wallflower-

10-29-2008, 12:38 AM

Isn't that a little too...harsh. I mean, he existed, but he wasn't insane or a liar. He was holy, and died for our sins so that we wouldn't burn in hell. Zues could never do something like that.

That's pretty biased.

-Wallflower-

10-29-2008, 12:42 AM

Excuse me? I don't see you coming up with anything spectacular to say. Maybe you stay a "WallFlower" and butt out.;)

lol
what was that for?
No need to get touchy :P

Uriel

10-29-2008, 12:44 AM

lol
what was that for?
No need to get touchy :P

You're right, I'm sorry.:(

-Wallflower-

10-29-2008, 12:46 AM

You're right, I'm sorry.:(
:hug:

appleofmyeye

10-29-2008, 01:58 AM

I believe in God and I believe Jesus was the Masiah. That's it. There is so little to that list I can't even get in arguments over religion!

Rafael Domination

10-29-2008, 02:52 AM

Good on you, Apple! :D

Can we move onto Zeus vs. Odin vs. Ra now? :crazy:

Nyx

10-29-2008, 02:53 AM

^ Sure, go ahead and make the thread yourself Raffie.

Rafael Domination

10-29-2008, 03:02 AM

Okay! :D

Crazy Shyness

10-29-2008, 10:51 AM

Where did you hear that? :confused:

jordanisonfire

10-29-2008, 12:35 PM

Okay, here's my take on Jesus:

A man called Jesus DID exist at the time where some believe that a holy son of God existed. There's apparently more proof that a man called Jesus existed and caused trouble for the Romans than there is of Julius Caeser existing (don't see how that works, but its apparently true). But there is NO proof that he was holy. He was either a man who lied about who he was (for fame, recognition, purpose in life or he might just have been bored), he might have been insane (believing others in this whole Christianity thing, though Jesus is said to have been Jewish, and there were also a lot of diseases around at the time that could have contributed to his insanity) or he could have been telling the truth. Though I don't believe the latter.

Now, onto the whole religion thing in general: every religion seems to have a God (except Buddhism, though that still had strange, "magical" things going on in it, such as when Buddha was born apparently flowers magically grew where he walked). But think about it: if there is/are God(s), why have they not revealed themselves? I don't see the point in worshipping or recognising someone/something that refuses to reveal itself to us. If there is indeed a Christian God, or Allah exists, or Vishnu or any of the others, I would worship them if they revealed themselves. Or our concept of what Gods exist could be completely wrong! the Gods we perceive, as humans, could be completely false, and some other God is getting incredibly frustrated at us not recognising he/she/it.

Until there is adequate proof that any of the religions we know today exist, I will put my faith in science. Science has proved religion wrong (or at least given a better hypothesis than religion) on numerous occasions.

But this is a debate speaking in assumptions, so I'm not gonna try and turn it into something serious, we've already had a serious religion topic.

Robyn

11-22-2008, 12:06 PM

Jesus, hands down! He's badass.

-Wallflower-

11-22-2008, 12:46 PM

Ok, I have to correct you all on something. Zeus was actually a person, a very good person that did a lot of good things. After he died though, a lot of his deeds were exageratted though and he was turned into the mythical Zeus that we all refer to.

I thought that was Jesus lol

Elvenscholar

11-22-2008, 06:52 PM

True for both, actually.

Shaun

12-07-2008, 02:47 AM

Watch yourself, Hypo. This isn't the place for a YWO bash fest.

eriko

01-22-2009, 03:15 AM

this is something that might interest people over here:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=lssaVu_eyso

i had heard that there was a prophecy..but don't say anything to me about it..take it with interest and maybe then forget it
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as for who would win I vote for Jesus. Never liked Zeus much.

Until there is adequate proof that any of the religions we know today exist, I will put my faith in science. Science has proved religion wrong (or at least given a better hypothesis than religion) on numerous occasions.

I don't agree with you. there are two types of sciences spritual and materialistic. The main difference it you can't experiment with the spritual one but you can with the materialistic one. You should look into the Geeta everything is well explained and reasoned. Many people, the scientist including Albert Einstien read it. Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism were not basically religions. There are 330 million Hindu Gods and Goddesses. Do you really thing it can be possible. There is only one God. We Hindus have never discriminated amongst ourselves on the basis of Gods we pray to. There is only one God. Everybody has the right to choose their personal God. Personal God actually depends upon the charecterstics that you like to see in a God. It is just to fill the place of the supreme lord that actually supervises the nature and see that the laws are followed. Supreme Lord is not a definite being he is who you want him to be Krishna or Christ or Alllah. It does no matter. You can even create your own God because it depends upon you how you want him to be. Just remeber that there is only one. As for Buddhism, it is not a religion but science..come on yaar its meditation and stuff like that. And all the mantras/hymns that are present are present in all the religions are the result of resaerch in the science of sounds that is why they are so powerful.

Rafael Domination

01-22-2009, 04:36 AM

Supreme Lord is not a definite being he is who you want him to be Krishna or Christ or Alllah. It does no matter. You can even create your own God because it depends upon you how you want him to be.

A little risky, don't you think? What if someone like, oh let's say Azrael (my evil side) wanted to 'create' a god who's main attribute and purpose is the annihilation of all life on Earth? That encouraged too? Kinda defeats the purpose of 'godhood'.

eriko

01-22-2009, 07:15 AM

A little risky, don't you think? What if someone like, oh let's say Azrael (my evil side) wanted to 'create' a god who's main attribute and purpose is the annihilation of all life on Earth? That encouraged too? Kinda defeats the purpose of 'godhood'.

No it does not. God is not a being and He does not influence the working of our society. Whenever He does we call Him Avatar/Saviour/Prophet. The main point was not creating your own Gods. Actually Gods have been created due to human perceptions and also fear to some extent. By this creation that I have mentioned I mean the exterior and the physical features and traits. There is a God who in right terms can be reffered as The Supreme Personality Of Godhead. He cannot be defined. Human define God to relate to Him. The main point is the Laws of Nature (which are more important than God Himself) do not depend upon your acceptance or rejection, they will continue to function even if you don't believe in them. That is why it is said do your Karma and don't expect the fruit.

ScottyMcGee

01-22-2009, 08:18 PM

Dude, Jesus walks on water. That's an awesome party trick.

JESUS FTW.

Nyx

01-22-2009, 08:19 PM

^Uh Scotty? You just made my day.

appleofmyeye

01-22-2009, 09:52 PM

I think Scotty has been on some crazy shit because I laugh at everything he says lately.

ScottyMcGee

01-23-2009, 11:43 AM

Er, no. That's how I normally respond to things. >_>

C'mon, I'm gonna be the host of my own variety show soon. Can't be lackluster now, can I?

Jack

01-23-2009, 12:35 PM

Zues becuase he is king of the gods. Jesus is just the son of one god. Or summat like tht. I don't really know he ins and outs of christianity.

ScottyMcGee

01-23-2009, 07:59 PM

Dude. . . he walks on water.

nagarjuna

01-29-2009, 11:25 AM

Dude. . . he walks on water.

But then he would try and Zeus would be like "HA bitch! Try walking on water with holes in your feet." (Bad joke, I know. Don't kill me!)

But Jesus would totally win because he would refuse to fight in the first place.

And Buddha would beat them both because he would prove that they didn't exist. His irrefutable logic would cause them to collapse into little nirvana singularities.

And then Richard Dawkins would just imagine them all away...

hades cornerstone

02-01-2009, 12:47 AM

Jesus would own Zeus

reason #1 Jesus has more followers.
reason #2 Zeus is placed in the category of Myths lol (besides I like Hades better hehe).

nagarjuna

02-01-2009, 01:10 AM

reason #2 Zeus is placed in the category of Myths

So is Jesus, depending on who you ask. Even though Jesus is a historical person, the resurrection and all that is arguably myth. And it's not the only myth with sacrificial death, virgin birth, incarnation, and resurrection either. Zeus saw all that in his day. But it doesn't count because it's "pagan." :rolleyes:

Rafael Domination

02-01-2009, 03:52 AM

Not to mention Jesus still retains omnipotence, omnisicence, and omnipresence. Something Zeus hasn't shown. :P

I mean, Zeus has to have HELP managing the universe. I mean, come on.

nagarjuna

02-01-2009, 03:34 PM

Not to mention Jesus still retains omnipotence, omnisicence, and omnipresence. Something Zeus hasn't shown. :P

It depends on what manifestation of Jesus we're talking about. The Jesus of his earthly ministry had given up omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence to walk with humans and die with humans. Jesus as the Logos, the divine Word, did have those things; but then in that role he's more of an abstract concept than a deity.