Israel and Iran

[Andy]

I'm not sure if anyone's been keeping up with international news lately, but at the moment there are really high tensions between Israel and Iran. There are rumors Israel plants to attack in order to destroy Iran's nuclear program, and responses that Iran would "obliterate" Israel if it happened.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215330881262&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

What are everyone's opinions on this?

[Phantom]

Go Israel!!!!!!

[Andy]

Well, I am much more in favor of Israel as well, but I'm really concerned about the effects of such an attack. The US already has massive debt, and would likely be called on for aid. and oil prices are high enough.

[Phantom]

Very true, but I have heard that you can breathe a sigh of relief. The price of oil has dropped four dollars! Aren't we all in awe.

[jordanisonfire]

I bet attacking Iran is on Bush's wishlist now. Anyway, if Iran are just using it for electricity, then there's no problem. It might be just people seeing potential danger where there is none (besides maybe a meltdown). Of course, Iran could be lying, but there's no way to prove it now, right? Innocent until proven guilty.

[ScottyMcGee]

Bush doesn't have a wishlist.

It's CHENEY'S wishlist.

Everybody else's wishlist but Bush.

Bush is just some ordinary guy who has no idea what the hell he's doing or why he's there, but was all "Sweet, I'm President."

[jordanisonfire]

I knew that Cheney was worse, but I didn't figure that Bush didn't know what he was doing.

[ScottyMcGee]

Has anyone noticed how utterly happy he is now that he's leaving?

Dear Lord, you should watch David Letterman and see the "Great Moments in Presidents Speeches" part.

[Nyx]

I bet attacking Iran is on Bush's wishlist now. Anyway, if Iran are just using it for electricity, then there's no problem. It might be just people seeing potential danger where there is none (besides maybe a meltdown). Of course, Iran could be lying, but there's no way to prove it now, right? Innocent until proven guilty.

I agree with all that. It's as if all the time: another member says what I want to say except a lot better than I would xD

[Andy]

But my question is, why does Iran need nuclear power for electricity when it is one of the world's largest suppliers of oil?

[Nyx]

But my question is, why does Iran need nuclear power for electricity when it is one of the world's largest suppliers of oil?

Maybe as an attempt to use less oil? [that's a guess]
To perhaps have more of a profit from supplying the oil to other countries, or just simply using less to have oil left for a longer amount of itime.

[jordanisonfire]

Well, nuclear is so much less wasteful. Oil could be used for cars and other such vehicles and nuclear could be used for electrical power. A single lump of uranium can produce as much power as loads of tonnes of coal (I forget how many). It does have bad long-term effects, but since when is anyone bothered about long-term effects these days if they're in politics? As long as those idiots live comfortable lives and die comfortably, they don't care, even if everyone else suffers for the problems they cause.

[Shaun]

But my question is, why does Iran need nuclear power for electricity when it is one of the world's largest suppliers of oil?

Assuming that Iran has noble purposes for their nuclear program, they may very well be taking the high road and considering that oil will run out eventually. Perhaps it is a smart move. I don't think it is: I have very little faith that they are entirely noble about this.

As for obliterating Israel: good luck. The second Iran attacked Israel...Iran would either have the following happen to it:

1. Israel would launch a nuclear strike of its own on Iranian cities, thus forcing Iran to retreat.
2. The U.S. and about 50 other countries would get involved and Iran would then be in deep shit.
3. Just the U.S. will get involved and it still won't look good for Iran.

So, yeah, good luck with that Iran.

[Nyx]

I don't think it is: I have very little faith that they are entirely noble about this.



Why is that?

[Shaun]

Because Iran has a tendency to be sneaky about things.

[Nyx]

Because Iran has a tendency to be sneaky about things.

Since when?:confused:

[EDIT: yea as Shad said, I'm not denying it either, just wondering]

[jordanisonfire]

Yeah, since when? I'm not denying it, just curious.

[Starry]

You know, I definitely had to do a project about this for government class freshman year, where I had to defend the "Don't invade Iran!" position. So...yeah, I don't really remember my arguments. It was something to do with the fact that it's too early to tell if the nuclear power plants will be used for power or bombs (that comes in a later phase of developments). So basically, the best-case scenario is really that Iran will be using nuclear power for itself so that it can export more oil for more profit. More likely is that Iran is stockpiling weapons just in case they need to attack someone.

[Shaun]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1949437&page=1

That's pretty much all I need to see to know they're bad news.

[Nyx]

Who's "they"?

[Shaun]

They = Iran

[Nyx]

As in the Iranian Government?

[Shaun]

And the people that support it.

[The Elusive Jihadist]

Israel would win in a conventional war, most likely with the support of billions of US dollars. However, one nuke would end Israel, so I doubt they are going to tug the tigers tail unless they know Iran has no nukes.

It is quite obvious that the US knows Iran has no nuclear weapons for why else would they continue to antagonize them while they let N. Korea off scott free? Nuclear weapons are a shield, no one will antagonize you directly if you have them.

[Shaun]

The problem with certain countries who have nukes now is that we know they're stupid enough to use them. This is why Russia has become more frightening as of late because they're actually threatening nuclear attacks on Poland, and if they really have descended that far into lunacy, the whole world needs to be seriously concerned.

Israel would most likely be safe, and if someone nuked them you can expect we'll have a new place for a new Super Super Walmart and a huge parking complex...I do believe the U.S. will be less hesitant to respond with excessive force if excessive force is used against he U.S. or a U.S. ally. One of my friends in the military was telling me that you can actually detonate a nuclear bomb high above ground and cause devastating without the radiation. I don't know if that is true, but if it is then...scary. I suspect it's not 100% true, but I imagine there's "some" truth to it.